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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
Maybe you can comment on 11psi vs 18psi actuators and spool up? You have plenty of stock ECU duty cycle programming under your belt. I am sure you have seen this before.

Anyone that wants a stock actuator instead of a HP one can ask for that when they place their order, would be no problem at all.
I was laughing at the baby seals part.

I don't see issues with the FP actuator on 91 as most of the evos we tune with the actuators are running 22psi +. On the Evo 9's we usually run 23-26psi depending on the variant of turbo (stock to green and red soon) and what the car likes.

18-20psi makes a not so fun Evo no matter the octane.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tnt1106
Oh man! That is what the screaming sound my car now makes under boost is! I thought it was all that new found power from the red. But its just those baby seals dying each time i step on the gas!

I did mod my air box lid per Scott's direction and my baro no longer dips sharp above 7k
Could you explain the airbox lid mod that you did?

Also is it worth keeping the snorkel on with an open cone?

Thanks!
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SPANKED
Could you explain the airbox lid mod that you did?

Also is it worth keeping the snorkel on with an open cone?

Thanks!
Use a hole saw to cut several holes in the airbox lid. I cut my holes in the backside facing the shock tower, and outboard side facing the fender. I think I put about 4 1" holes in the lid to correct the airflow limit problem. Then I quickly changed to an open element hot air intake which I have unfortunately had on the car all summer long

Lesson to learn is that if you must run the stock airbox, at least cut several 1" or larger holes in the lid so that you are not limiting airflow to 45lb/min.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
You CANNOT run a stock airbox on a Red model turbocharger, if you do baby seals will die. And on top of that the lid to the airbox will cut out airflow greater than about 45lb/min period end of story, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
So if you are running an open cone you don't recommend the lid or the snorkel?

I'm running an open cone with the stock box gutted so the maf and cone sit in the lower part of the box and I cut the side off the top of the lid. I'll consider cutting out the backside now to pull in more air. I'll post some pics, I'm pretty impressed with my dremel skills!

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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I was laughing at the baby seals part.

I don't see issues with the FP actuator on 91 as most of the evos we tune with the actuators are running 22psi +. On the Evo 9's we usually run 23-26psi depending on the variant of turbo (stock to green and red soon) and what the car likes.

18-20psi makes a not so fun Evo no matter the octane.
Agreed on that point for sure. Best turbo for 18-20psi is the stock one.

Also, the only thing that works better than a turbo timer for turbo longevity is baby seal tears every oil change. 2-3 teaspoons is all that is required
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SPANKED
So if you are running an open cone you don't recommend the lid or the snorkel?
If you have an open cone, then I don't see any reason to have the airbox lid or snorkel installed. Additionally, if you have an open element filter then you may ignore my comments about the limitations of the stock airbox lid since none of your air travels thru the lid anyway
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
Also, the only thing that works better than a turbo timer for turbo longevity is baby seal tears every oil change. 2-3 teaspoons is all that is required
I'll try that before we tune her tonight on the q16....
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 02:14 PM
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oh golly!!! lol well as i said earlier i still live in socal and need my engine bay too look more factory and untouched then the virgin marys naughty bits.......

but then again i might get a second lid and drill that one to hell to use on track days or occasions where i need to drive fast-ish

how does that idea/ middle ground sound?

or is this just a u have to do it type of deal or the second coming of christ will never happend b/c i have shamed the human species with such a blasphamous act?
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cky_bam_marg
oh golly!!! lol well as i said earlier i still live in socal and need my engine bay too look more factory and untouched then the virgin marys naughty bits.......

but then again i might get a second lid and drill that one to hell to use on track days or occasions where i need to drive fast-ish

how does that idea/ middle ground sound?

or is this just a u have to do it type of deal or the second coming of christ will never happend b/c i have shamed the human species with such a blasphamous act?
I cant speculate as to your disposition during raputure, but I can tell you that the stock lid will cut your ***** off when it comes to power. THe holes can be very discrete, and the ones that face the shock tower will never be noticed by anyone.

Virgin Mary naughty bits - funny stuff man.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
I cant speculate as to your disposition during raputure, but I can tell you that the stock lid will cut your ***** off when it comes to power. THe holes can be very discrete, and the ones that face the shock tower will never be noticed by anyone.

Virgin Mary naughty bits - funny stuff man.
lol ok man good too know
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Just get the AEM intake, be CARB legal and tlel the popo to enjoy
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mpfcc
No need for me to complain to bushur as I did not order my red through them.

You were answering the question based on what you "read" on a website. I was answering the question based on what I actually have on my FP Red as well as calling the manufacturer (FP). I'm simply sharing my experience, if you don't like it...don't read it.
How would I know I didn't like it if I didn't read it sir?
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
.... if the target boost pressure is very near the WG spring pressure. THis comes from an insufficient amount of control range between the spring and the target boost. Having at least 4psi between the spring pressure and the target pressure aleiviates the condition.

So if you have a 18psi actuator, but are targeting only 20psi of boost pressure, the boost control system has very little control range over the turbo. Running 25psi on the other hand gives the control system something to work with..
^^^^Well said!^^^^
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
Use a hole saw to cut several holes in the airbox lid. I cut my holes in the backside facing the shock tower, and outboard side facing the fender. I think I put about 4 1" holes in the lid to correct the airflow limit problem. Then I quickly changed to an open element hot air intake which I have unfortunately had on the car all summer long

Lesson to learn is that if you must run the stock airbox, at least cut several 1" or larger holes in the lid so that you are not limiting airflow to 45lb/min.
Pics of baby seal escape openings :








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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ForcedPerformance
I cant speculate as to your disposition during raputure, but I can tell you that the stock lid will cut your ***** off when it comes to power. THe holes can be very discrete, and the ones that face the shock tower will never be noticed by anyone.

Virgin Mary naughty bits - funny stuff man.
This is the truth. Way back when the FPgreen first came out I installed one on my personal evo, and ended up making the same power as I did on my stock turbo.

After a couple days of clubbing baby seals and checking data logs, I ripped the stock airbox out and installed an open filter and made 25whp.



For the Republik of Kalifornia guys (like me) you can have a good flowing intake and still be stealth:





Also the AEM intake is CARB legal.
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