Pruven or AMS intercooler?
I've seen the AMS one.....looks good.....but I have to admidt....the Pruven one looks BAD @$$. I'm talking no seeing end tanks...and from what Al Says....no heat soak!!! (shooting over to look at Buschurs now) ok...Buschur one doesn't look too bad either....but personally....I think I am gonna go for the Pruven one....well...that's when I need it!!!
There will be dozens of intercoolers on the market very soon - - a lot to choose from
AMS and Buschur are both great companies
If your on a budget - they both seem like great units for the $$
However - ALL the intercoolers except for the pruven one so far are designed to work in conjunction with the stock power steering cooler and the stock A/C fan
So far it seems Pruven has been the only company to spend the weeks of R & D to fabricate a A/C fan slim line and a relocated power steering cooler to accomidate a MUCH bigger fmic
the stock unit is about 550 cubic inches
The AMS and Buscher are in the 700 - 800 range
The Pruven is 1100 cubic inches !!!!!!!!!
There is no turbo lag increase - no loss in throttle response - no disatvantage - other than the price
Also - with the pruven - there is NO cutting and no loss of the factory undretray - all of which fits fine - it also fits up with the factory pipes perfectly
You have to weigh the pros and cons on all these units - - BUT - if you are planning a turbo upgrade in the future - OR - if you live in a hot climate area - then the Pruven is really the way to go
The only problem with pruven is that they are all hand made by Dan a master welder and he can only make so many a week - particularly as some of the parts suppliers have run out of parts - - if you want one of them you'll have to be patient as there is a slight back order at this time and they sell out as fast as they make them
AMS and Buschur are both great companies
If your on a budget - they both seem like great units for the $$
However - ALL the intercoolers except for the pruven one so far are designed to work in conjunction with the stock power steering cooler and the stock A/C fan
So far it seems Pruven has been the only company to spend the weeks of R & D to fabricate a A/C fan slim line and a relocated power steering cooler to accomidate a MUCH bigger fmic
the stock unit is about 550 cubic inches
The AMS and Buscher are in the 700 - 800 range
The Pruven is 1100 cubic inches !!!!!!!!!
There is no turbo lag increase - no loss in throttle response - no disatvantage - other than the price
Also - with the pruven - there is NO cutting and no loss of the factory undretray - all of which fits fine - it also fits up with the factory pipes perfectly
You have to weigh the pros and cons on all these units - - BUT - if you are planning a turbo upgrade in the future - OR - if you live in a hot climate area - then the Pruven is really the way to go
The only problem with pruven is that they are all hand made by Dan a master welder and he can only make so many a week - particularly as some of the parts suppliers have run out of parts - - if you want one of them you'll have to be patient as there is a slight back order at this time and they sell out as fast as they make them
Last edited by Alfriedesq; Sep 1, 2003 at 11:28 AM.
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Or just go to each of the tuners sites.
Originally posted by Rollaway
im goin for the Pruven one.. seen it and it looks sick
im goin for the Pruven one.. seen it and it looks sick
For some nice photos of it - check out the feature on my car in the October, 2003 Modified Magazine there is a double page shot of the front of my car that shows off the intercooler very well
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Al,
A couple of questions. I'm not looking to have a 500whp car. I have a turboback exhaust and am running the exede. I'm going to have cam gears placed also. With all this I do not know what my WHP will be. So the questions I have are 1: Do I need to install a new intercooler and if so does it matter which one? Thanks for your input.
Adolfo
A couple of questions. I'm not looking to have a 500whp car. I have a turboback exhaust and am running the exede. I'm going to have cam gears placed also. With all this I do not know what my WHP will be. So the questions I have are 1: Do I need to install a new intercooler and if so does it matter which one? Thanks for your input.
Adolfo
Edit: Inability to read correctly so I removed content.
The important thing about intercoolers is how much they actually cool (what a concept) and how little pressure drop occurs across the core. Also how they affect cooling to other items like the radiator can be important.
Im hoping that more of these companies do some real testing on these when their versions come out. Remember dyno testing alone is a **** poor test on an intercooler, since there is no moving air. All you are measuring is pressure drop differences, not the ability to cool.
I'm not going to give any reccomendations for which to use, because I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. Especially for those without a wild mods list. Just do some research, and get all the correct facts first.
The important thing about intercoolers is how much they actually cool (what a concept) and how little pressure drop occurs across the core. Also how they affect cooling to other items like the radiator can be important.
Im hoping that more of these companies do some real testing on these when their versions come out. Remember dyno testing alone is a **** poor test on an intercooler, since there is no moving air. All you are measuring is pressure drop differences, not the ability to cool.
I'm not going to give any reccomendations for which to use, because I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. Especially for those without a wild mods list. Just do some research, and get all the correct facts first.
Last edited by TearItUpSports; Sep 1, 2003 at 03:25 PM.
Originally posted by TearItUpSports
In reference to the quote below: Please post factual information here.
Straight off the AMS site:
The AMS replacement intercooler core for your EVO VIII is a direct bolt on utilizing your stock piping, the core is the same one used in our record setting EVO II drag car, with purpose built endtanks for the EVO VIII. The bar and plate style core is 12.4" tall, 20" wide (28" with endtanks) and 3.625 " thick with over 1250 cfm flow at 1 psi pressure loss, additionally this intercooler has over 80% more internal flow area than it's stock counterpart.
Since Pruven's site doesn't mention flow of the intercooler, I will take your word that 1100 cfm is correct, which gives the AMS intercooler a higher flow rate!
The important thing about intercoolers is how much they actually cool (what a concept) and how little pressure drop occurs across the core. Also how they affect cooling to other items like the radiator can be important.
Im hoping that more of these companies do some real testing on these when their versions come out. Remember dyno testing alone is a **** poor test on an intercooler, since there is no moving air. All you are measuring is pressure drop differences, not the ability to cool.
I'm not going to give any reccomendations for which to use, because I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. Especially for those without a wild mods list. Just do some research, and get all the correct facts first.
In reference to the quote below: Please post factual information here.
Straight off the AMS site:
The AMS replacement intercooler core for your EVO VIII is a direct bolt on utilizing your stock piping, the core is the same one used in our record setting EVO II drag car, with purpose built endtanks for the EVO VIII. The bar and plate style core is 12.4" tall, 20" wide (28" with endtanks) and 3.625 " thick with over 1250 cfm flow at 1 psi pressure loss, additionally this intercooler has over 80% more internal flow area than it's stock counterpart.
Since Pruven's site doesn't mention flow of the intercooler, I will take your word that 1100 cfm is correct, which gives the AMS intercooler a higher flow rate!
The important thing about intercoolers is how much they actually cool (what a concept) and how little pressure drop occurs across the core. Also how they affect cooling to other items like the radiator can be important.
Im hoping that more of these companies do some real testing on these when their versions come out. Remember dyno testing alone is a **** poor test on an intercooler, since there is no moving air. All you are measuring is pressure drop differences, not the ability to cool.
I'm not going to give any reccomendations for which to use, because I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. Especially for those without a wild mods list. Just do some research, and get all the correct facts first.
Its obvious to me that a SPERCO core - which is the best you can buy - that is 30% bigger will obviously cool more - - - - AND don't forget that this core is the same one from the Orange Pruven race car and the black talon from last years USCC - its a true 700 whp capacity intercooler
The AMS unit is a work of art! I saw it in person at the DSM shootout on the Evo II that ran 145mph in the quarter before I bought it; the pictures can't do it justice. The welds are extraordinary, the sheer depth and height of the unit (more important than overall width) is impressive - you'll be amazed that it fits in the stock location. My butt dyno sucks and I could still feel a significant improvement. After driving it around for over an hour, the temperature was better than the stock unit.
I thought I heard the AMS Evo II was an 800hp car - it's a 9 second terror. If that unit isn't good enough for you, then maybe it's time for the Pruven unit
EDITED to add : Pictures of the AMS intercooler being mounted on my car, and being compared to the stock IC are on my website listed in my signature.
I thought I heard the AMS Evo II was an 800hp car - it's a 9 second terror. If that unit isn't good enough for you, then maybe it's time for the Pruven unit
EDITED to add : Pictures of the AMS intercooler being mounted on my car, and being compared to the stock IC are on my website listed in my signature.
