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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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I'm surprised there aren't any other fuel pumps out there that would fill that gap between these "double pumper" 1000hp setups and the good ole 255.
A double pumper isnt a 1000hp setup.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ted b
single walbro 255lph pumps have been used on evos with race gasoline that made 600whp.

the only way a single pump is too small for a 5xxwhp application is if e85 is used.
bingo!
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EmeryatSTM
Our car was on a single walbro and trapped 142! So I dont think mellon ran out of fuel because of his pump....

-Emery


I didn't come anywhere near running out of fuel trapping 135mph 880's and single.

so long as you don't try to tune on e85 or q16 you'll be fine.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Just curious, if you want to de-tune your car for some reason, I assume for increased reliability, why not simply detune it to 500whp and stay with E85?

That are a number of valid reasons for running E85 other than maximum HP:
1. E85 is a renewable resource
2. Reduce dependence on foreign oil, or any oil for that matter
3. Lower EGT's
4. Higher torque to HP ratio than pump gas
5. Could run two maps: E85 and pump
6. Can run more timing than pump

Anyway, just food for thought...

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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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You will be fine with 1 pump
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in Tucson
Just curious, if you want to de-tune your car for some reason, I assume for increased reliability, why not simply detune it to 500whp and stay with E85?

That are a number of valid reasons for running E85 other than maximum HP:
1. E85 is a renewable resource
2. Reduce dependence on foreign oil, or any oil for that matter
3. Lower EGT's
4. Higher torque to HP ratio than pump gas
5. Could run two maps: E85 and pump
6. Can run more timing than pump

Anyway, just food for thought...

heres a logical statement

lol Evodynamics would hate me anyways if i tried to get rid of my setup, they just put it in . we'll see what happens, he gets back from out of town soon and well talk then.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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with a single walbro and PTE 880's I was at 117% IDC showing ~ 500awhp in DLL, going to PTE 1000cc that dropped to 107% IIRC. Going to twin walbros that dropped to ~80% so clearly I had a fuel pressure problem. This was all on the HTA 35R with stock heads and HKS 280 cams. Later I upgraded to the Buschur 2.0 + stage 3 head + BF272 cams and DLL showed ~600awhp, the IDC shot up to 92% and the car went 135 on 93 octane like that. This is a full weight car by the way so if you're going to compare trap speeds you have to keep that in mind.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 09:40 AM
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This is good information. I currently have 880cc injectors but I think I am going to do the upgrade to 1050cc and see where that takes me!
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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Why not use a bosch 044, I think, fuel pump inline rather than twin setup and keep the single?
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
with a single walbro and PTE 880's I was at 117% IDC showing ~ 500awhp in DLL, going to PTE 1000cc that dropped to 107% IIRC. Going to twin walbros that dropped to ~80% so clearly I had a fuel pressure problem. This was all on the HTA 35R with stock heads and HKS 280 cams. Later I upgraded to the Buschur 2.0 + stage 3 head + BF272 cams and DLL showed ~600awhp, the IDC shot up to 92% and the car went 135 on 93 octane like that. This is a full weight car by the way so if you're going to compare trap speeds you have to keep that in mind.
Like you said you had a pressure issue, not flow. I think with a FPR you would not have had that issue. By adding a second pump you simply Over ran the stock regulator.

What does you car weigh in at? Mine was about 3200 when I trapped 142. Thats full weight minus rear seats and one front seat. 05 SSL is heavy!


Thats also without me in it. I weight about 250 lbs..


-Em

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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 04:45 PM
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Edit *-ment to quote mellon not stm-

i trapped 131mph in a almost full weight car. which is what you were trapping when you were making "~600awhp dll"

And i never maxed out the 880's afr's low 11s all the way to 8200.

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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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put me in the line for the dbl pumper and the adj. fpr if you decide to sell. also, i have an almost new walbro you can have cheap if you need one.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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im running precision 880's on a single walboro, my IDC's are at 81%, on 100 octane though
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Old Dec 16, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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higher octane allows for leaner AFR, that can also save on the IDC.

Emery my car should be very close to stock weight, the only weight reduction is the mini battery, missing front crash bar, spare tire and jack.
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Old Dec 16, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ONRAILS
Edit *-ment to quote mellon not stm-

i trapped 131mph in a almost full weight car. which is what you were trapping when you were making "~600awhp dll"

And i never maxed out the 880's afr's low 11s all the way to 8200.
I trapped 135, not 131 and on 93 octane, not race gas
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