First- as you can tell by my post count and join date and the fact that I also own my own forum- I'm not a N00b. Second please don't give me the "use the search" lecture because we all know the new search functionality on this site doesn't return relevant threads as anyone and everyone can tag their thread with whatever they want- which is heavily Vendor driven.... OK, with that said here's my question.

I'm looking at doing a full build and am steering away from buying a pre-boxed turbo kit and putting together my own... That way I can get all the parts I want and not have to sacrifice on the manifold, or the turbo type, and plus it's cheaper- especially if you know the right people

My goal is 600AWHP on E85. Don't worry about the EMS I'll be running or any of the other details other than I'll likely be running a built 2.2L short block, a built head, 272 Kellford cams, either a ported intake Mani or an actual unit (haven't decided yet), and of course a... wait... WHAT turbo should I use??? hehe

Keep in mind this is not going to be an autoX car- or even a drag monster, but I will take it to the strip every now and again, but honestly it'll just be a badass daily driver. So that is something to keep in mind as I want to keep this build streetable and running smooth. The other goal is the HP whih we've already established is around 600AWHP.

At first I was gung ho about the HTA3528R with the .82 a/r, but then I was looking at comparrisons and prices and was like WTF am I doing? I could spend much less and go with the PT6262- then a day later I'm told that the 6262 is old news and there is a much better turbo out there for what I need.

Now I'm here asking you all to chime in on what you think would be the best fit... As we all know it's a matter of opinion. I'd like to see what opinion is greatest on here.

 

I was talking with the owner of ETS for a few hours Thursday about the best turbo kit for a 2.2 on ethanol. The 2 kits that we came up with that we really likes ( that also fit a few other perimeters that another build had) were an HTA86 kit and a 3065 kit. I think the 3065 would put you right where you want to be. If i were you i would call Michael at ETS on Monday and have him share some of what we were thinking about for this setup.

I think a Magnus cast manifold would also go good with this setup for autox as it is the only manifold i have seen that can pick up power out of boost and still flow great up top.

 

t4 twinscroll 1.06ar hta3582r

 

For those curious about what a 3065 can do with the right parts selection, please watch the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs2u0eksgA0

The only part of the build out of the ordinary is 11:1 compression. The car is on 1600s, DSMlink, JMF Race mani, is NOT O-ringed nor does it have an electric waterpump. I think a car that has a powerband from 4000-9000 rpm would be (this one is for sure) a wicked street car. It is a 1G and therefore not even the same level of tech that most Evos have, yet last night it ran a 9.67@144. This is with Fp2 cams by the way.

I am going to use a single scroll 3586 in my 2.2LR build. That will be a 10:1 MIVEC E85 motor. The only exceptional thing to mention is my choice of strategy to use coatings extensively in the motor to minimize loss and see what I can do over other current builds of that type. I will be using a Magnus Cast manifold.

 

hmmmm HTA86...

 

If you are using E85, I would do a RED.. with the right mods, you should be able to get close to 600awhp on a dynojet.. There is no need to do a 35r if you are only shooting for 600awhp on a "race" gas.. If you decide on a 35r, then do a hta82 with .63 AR . Good luck.

 

Thanks....

The red would basically be maxed at that limit and I would want room for growth- hence the built head and shortblock.. I know it would be a KILLER setup and a ton of fun to drive, but that's about all it has in it...

Also- with the EMS I'm using I will have two fuel rails with different injectors 1600's for the E85 and 1000's in the other for pump... By the switch of a map I can choose which fuel I want to run... So I'd like to be able to have room for growth on pump as well, but a turbo that will also be able to not bog me down on pump- if I decide to use that map which I will from time to time. E85 isn't exactly at every intersection.

So now I'm hearing HTA82? Why the 82 as opposed to the 86 and what is the big difference between the FP6262 and these HTA turbos? I'm trying to stay away from the HTA's as they are quite a bit expensive. PT is looking good at this point- just need to find what their latest and greatest turbo out there is.

 

Just to stir the pot...FWIW

I think you should add to your 600 whp target, 600 ft lbs by 4,500 rpms. That would be a terrific street EVO.

 

If I was spending the money on a turbo kit there's no better way to go other than twin scroll. Better spool up times and transient response with the same power capabilities as their open volute cousins.

Just need to make sure you go with a t4 1.06 divided like said above. You should try and find two evos both 35r's but one with a .82 open volute housing and the other a t4 1.06 divided housing. See which one feels better.

 

I'm interested in the above as well, but honestly I'd rally like to keep it a T3. Ok, so lets add one more element into the mix. I'll likely be buying a Magnus V5 cast Manifold or the AMS VRS Intake Mani...

 

Red will not do 600whp in a "normal" build. IF you want to stay away from the HTA for price, then the 3065 normally taps out at high 5's in most cars. The 6262 seems to be about the same in most normal setups that we have dyno'd.

A journal bearing 3582 or ball bearing 3582 will make the power on E85. We have one or 2 1Gs running around making 550 at 30-31 on a typical off the shelf setup. One has switch changed to a cast intake manifold (Hawver on those) and thats definitely helping. A ball bearing 35R and a Magnus will get you to your goal, but probably not much past generally speaking. The 3582HTA has proven to make 600+whp at 33-34psi on Q16 so I wouldnt hesitate in saying you can do it on E85.

 

I had highly considered the HTA 3582 and yes on E85 it wouldn't be much issue to get to 600AWHP especially given the other mods I'd have.

But right now looking into the PT6262 AKA AMS850- or the HTA82 with .63.

 

bump?

 

If it were be i would steer clean of the 6262 a few of the local guys are on there 2 or 3rd rebuilt in the last 6 months. The HTA82 or 86 would be a ton more fun of a turbo and not have reliability issues

 

rebuild of the turbo? Or the motor?