bbk vs. fp red vs. tomei arms for stock block pump w/meth
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bbk vs. fp red vs. tomei arms for stock block pump w/meth
Last edited by TTP Engineering; Apr 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM.
horsepower is just a calculated number with tourque as the varible in the equation( im sure you know this). so the more tourque the car can hold and the flatter the tourque curve is the more power the car will make.
as far as the scaling on your graphs the first one is a little off but not by much and the second one is exactly the same as the power.
im sorry if you feel im attacking your graphs, i didnt mean to come across that way i was just simply stating my feelings about the graphs you posted. like i said in my original post the area under the curve is what really counts for daily driving. im sure both cars are really fast and expensive to run on a daily basis with the fuels they are using
as far as the scaling on your graphs the first one is a little off but not by much and the second one is exactly the same as the power.
im sorry if you feel im attacking your graphs, i didnt mean to come across that way i was just simply stating my feelings about the graphs you posted. like i said in my original post the area under the curve is what really counts for daily driving. im sure both cars are really fast and expensive to run on a daily basis with the fuels they are using
horsepower is just a calculated number with tourque as the varible in the equation( im sure you know this). so the more tourque the car can hold and the flatter the tourque curve is the more power the car will make.
as far as the scaling on your graphs the first one is a little off but not by much and the second one is exactly the same as the power.
im sorry if you feel im attacking your graphs, i didnt mean to come across that way i was just simply stating my feelings about the graphs you posted. like i said in my original post the area under the curve is what really counts for daily driving. im sure both cars are really fast and expensive to run on a daily basis with the fuels they are using
as far as the scaling on your graphs the first one is a little off but not by much and the second one is exactly the same as the power.
im sorry if you feel im attacking your graphs, i didnt mean to come across that way i was just simply stating my feelings about the graphs you posted. like i said in my original post the area under the curve is what really counts for daily driving. im sure both cars are really fast and expensive to run on a daily basis with the fuels they are using
Expensive to run? The first one makes 550whp on 93 octane and meth injection. It likely uses less methanol than DJ Brett B's car due to the more precise Aquamist system with precision atomization and injector duty cycle control.
The first graph is shown in "show all" format which puts power and torque on different scales so the graph display appears to have power and tq at the same level which they are not. FYI.
I have great respect for TTP as tuners and admire your accomplishments. I just don't see how graphs of a Red on C16 and 110+ meth are supposed to meet his request of a Red on pump+meth.
Unless he is stating that he intends on using the stock fuel pump.
Okay, you got me. The word "gas" is not in the thread title. "Pump" is, however, and C16 and 110 still do not count as pump.
I have great respect for TTP as tuners and admire your accomplishments. I just don't see how graphs of a Red on C16 and 110+ meth are supposed to meet his request of a Red on pump+meth.
Unless he is stating that he intends on using the stock fuel pump.
I have great respect for TTP as tuners and admire your accomplishments. I just don't see how graphs of a Red on C16 and 110+ meth are supposed to meet his request of a Red on pump+meth.
Unless he is stating that he intends on using the stock fuel pump.
I'm sure it won't hurt our ego to lose the 13whp.
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One runs 10.30 @ 134mph and the other runs 11.4 @ 125mph full weight.
Expensive to run? The first one makes 550whp on 93 octane and meth injection. It likely uses less methanol than DJ Brett B's car due to the more precise Aquamist system with precision atomization and injector duty cycle control.
The first graph is shown in "show all" format which puts power and torque on different scales so the graph display appears to have power and tq at the same level which they are not. FYI.
Expensive to run? The first one makes 550whp on 93 octane and meth injection. It likely uses less methanol than DJ Brett B's car due to the more precise Aquamist system with precision atomization and injector duty cycle control.
The first graph is shown in "show all" format which puts power and torque on different scales so the graph display appears to have power and tq at the same level which they are not. FYI.
I really am well aware that above 30psi the RED will blow the BBK/green/ARMS away, it is more like a big turbo and flows more air. The most relevant post was the Red making 550 on 93 +meth... that is closest to my setup, which I will remind you is crappy 91 octane and a stock block that I do not want to go over 30 psi. How much boost was the 550hp running? Was it a built motor? If not, how long do you expect the stock bottom end to live at those power levels? You see, I completely understand the capability of the Red, and if I could afford a built block/head running 35-40 lbs boost I probably would have chosen it instead. Aquamist is nice too, but too expensive and was not in my budget. Hell, I know that Volk RE30 wheels weigh a pound less than my Enkei RPF1s, but my wheels cost $300 each and the Volks cost $800, both do pretty much the same thing right? For me, like many others on this forum I don't have an endless budget. I also dont have a built motor to support that type of power. Do you happen to have a graph of a red at 28 lbs on 91+meth? That is what I would like to see, from you or from anyone, stock block/28 lbs or less/meth ok but not race gas... Thanks
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I did read that post, it was after you showed the 110 octane + meth at 40 psi and the other was c16 at 35 psi. Those were the "reliable" stock block examples you provided... Like I mentioned, I AM interested in knowing more details about your Red with 550whp on 93+ meth, as that is most similar to my pump gas + meth setup, although I am limited to only running 91 octane + meth. What psi was run on that car?
I did read that post, it was after you showed the 110 octane + meth at 40 psi and the other was c16 at 35 psi. Those were the "reliable" stock block examples you provided... Like I mentioned, I AM interested in knowing more details about your Red with 550whp on 93+ meth, as that is most similar to my pump gas + meth setup, although I am limited to only running 91 octane + meth. What psi was run on that car?
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Ok, that makes sense now why the numbers were so high. I did not want to run higher than 28 or 29 psi, so I am interested what numbers this car would make at that boost level. Also what I find interesting is that a member on evom (Kreonic or something like that) made 440whp on your mustang with the BBK lite... mine is the full version and I ran 28.5 lbs so I assume your dyno reads quite a bit different than Cobb's....
Ok, that makes sense now why the numbers were so high. I did not want to run higher than 28 or 29 psi, so I am interested what numbers this car would make at that boost level. Also what I find interesting is that a member on evom (Kreonic or something like that) made 440whp on your mustang with the BBK lite... mine is the full version and I ran 28.5 lbs so I assume your dyno reads quite a bit different than Cobb's....
Ok, that makes sense now why the numbers were so high. I did not want to run higher than 28 or 29 psi, so I am interested what numbers this car would make at that boost level. Also what I find interesting is that a member on evom (Kreonic or something like that) made 440whp on your mustang with the BBK lite... mine is the full version and I ran 28.5 lbs so I assume your dyno reads quite a bit different than Cobb's....
Meth injection is not needed at 28psi. You are wasting your time.