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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Just another Garrett chra bites the dust. Nothing new here. Stick to journal bearing heavy industry turbos, such as Mitsu and Borg Warner and Holset. Show one of those turbos failing, and I'll show you a liar.
This guy knows his stuff

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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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damn sucks to hear that...i wanna know if this is a common problem as ill be getting my RED in another week most likely
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_VR4
Typically a customer would contact the company, send in the part, and find out what caused the failure before broadcasting it on the internet. There are any number of causes for the symptoms you describe. If it was a product failure, FP has a well deserved reputation for taking care of their customers in those circumstances.

How did you determine what caused the damage to the fins in the exhaust side of the turbo?
You can see where the blades were riding on the heat shield. The blades are in perfect shape with the hotside on. But once you remove the hotside you can see the damage on the blades . If something got sucked up in the turbo the blades would be trashed. They only have small cracks in them but all intact.

Im only trying to see if anybody else has had this same problem.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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I'm not picking at you, but if the turbine wheel is moving INTO the housing, would that not make the compressor wheel be moving OUT into the compressor housing, which you said was undamaged?
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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ha....**** dood.... i wouldn't know what to do either, lol.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_VR4
I'm not picking at you, but if the turbine wheel is moving INTO the housing, would that not make the compressor wheel be moving OUT into the compressor housing, which you said was undamaged?
That's what I don't understand?? It's only damaged where it meets the heatshield.

The only reason I saw that it was damaged was because I took the hotside off. Otherwise it looks perfect with it on.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by VETTE_50_TH
Just another Garrett chra bites the dust. Nothing new here. Stick to journal bearing heavy industry turbos, such as Mitsu and Borg Warner and Holset. Show one of those turbos failing, and I'll show you a liar.

James

Are you serious with this post?
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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Sorry to hear Roger. Sounds like it only lasted about a month right? I remember you almost bought my 3076HTA kit before you decided on the red.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Boltz.
Sorry to hear Roger. Sounds like it only lasted about a month right? I remember you almost bought my 3076HTA kit before you decided on the red.
Yeah, now Im kicking myself in the butt

Ups just picked up my turbo. I will post an update as soon as I hear from FP.
(fingers crossed)
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VETTE_50_TH
Just another Garrett chra bites the dust. Nothing new here. Stick to journal bearing heavy industry turbos, such as Mitsu and Borg Warner and Holset. Show one of those turbos failing, and I'll show you a liar.

James
Just to clarify this for anyone who may be confused now, this guy has no clue that the FP Red is based on the Evo IX turbo which uses the factory Mitsubishi CHRA which is a journal bearing cartridge. I hope this hasn't confused to many people, obviously those in the know already are aware of the misinformation posted by him.

To the OP sorry for the bad luck but I'm sure if you contact FP they will help you figure out what it is and get you a replacement if it is a failure on there part.

Josh

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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 05:04 PM
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It may still be MHI journal bearings, but if the turbine shaft is larger, did they swap out or just machine the bearings? Also are they incorporating the stock MHI 360* thrust bearing? It does have a new turbine wheel, so there is a good possibility that the internals may not be factory MHI anymore. I still pretty much agree with his statement of Borg/Warner and Holset...I've never seen one have in and out shaft play. It's a shame more Evo guys don't jump into a HX35/HX40 hybrid, it's a wicked combo that gives the 3586r a big run for the money, and costs well under half the price.

Either way good luck, that pretty much cements my decision for a BBK for the time being.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Holsett HX-40's have, in fact, been known to suffer shaft failures, due to innadequate oil feed passages in the center housing, in spite of your claim to the contrary. There is a notable tendency to speculate and make dubious accusations in this particular thread. There is a lot of firing from the hip!

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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slo_crx1
It may still be MHI journal bearings, but if the turbine shaft is larger, did they swap out or just machine the bearings? Also are they incorporating the stock MHI 360* thrust bearing? It does have a new turbine wheel, so there is a good possibility that the internals may not be factory MHI anymore.

Either way good luck, that pretty much cements my decision for a BBK for the time being.
Lots of uninformed comments in this thread. BBK failures are documented, too. Like I said before, let's learn what the cause of the failure was, then go on to what should be the outcome.
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by VETTE_50_TH
Just another Garrett chra bites the dust. Nothing new here. Stick to journal bearing heavy industry turbos, such as Mitsu and Borg Warner and Holset. Show one of those turbos failing, and I'll show you a liar.

James
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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^^^^^^ Nice!!!!

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