problems with my new shep trans install
Yet you are acting like a "noob" with your comments back to suggestions from other people and have done nothing to prove that any of those suggestions aren't it. (other than just saying "noooooo, it can't be it, i'm not a noob")
but i know it will be worth it when it gets back 
I was told 2 weeks.... Guess I will be renting a car somehow
redline mt90
clutch is great!
exedy hd pressure plate with a kevlar/ceramic sprung disk
i checked the heat sheild.
checked that as well.
i have covered them, and yes i beleive shep does awesome work
no im not sure, thats why im asking
from a shep tranny?
thankyou, i believe shep does do good work, maybe it was just a bad day.
yes sir
its an exedy hd pp with kevlar/ceramic sprung hub disk
they recommended 2 different types and i could not remember which i used at the moment, i was in class.
sorry
im sure shep will not get a single more pm about this. and if so, tell him i apologize. and i have tried to remedy with the vendor. thankyou
ok!
yes!
it does NOT rattle with the pedal to the floor.
all the bolts were replaced on the metal plate, downpipe clears fine, heat shields have been checked/removed, all engine mounts have been tripple checked.
im not putting down shepp at all. it was a question, and im not saying the tranny sucks or that its 100% the tranny
the clutch was checked
the pressure plate was checked
all sheilds have been checked/removed.
tob is new.
the comments back were just stating that i have checked/replaced/ or installed properly. NOOOO it cant be the heat sheild because its not there, it cant be that because it was replaced
clutch is great!
what kind of clutch do you have? What gear oil did you use? Honestly, You can't just bash on someone without trying to figure out your problem. I have a shep tranny with great success. Maybe its user error, ever thought of that? You've said nothing about attempting to fix your problem. Did you put everything back together yourself? I've heard of something similar, but it wasn't the tranny, it was the clutch being installed wrong.
I think I know what it is
There is a dust cover that covers the output shaft that goes to the driveshaft. If it pops out it will chatter something horrible. You just need tap it back in. If you cant figure out what I'm talking about I will try to find a pic of what I'm trying to explain. basically just follow the ds all the way forward. Where it slides onto the shaft is a cover. That will be your problem...
There is a dust cover that covers the output shaft that goes to the driveshaft. If it pops out it will chatter something horrible. You just need tap it back in. If you cant figure out what I'm talking about I will try to find a pic of what I'm trying to explain. basically just follow the ds all the way forward. Where it slides onto the shaft is a cover. That will be your problem...i have covered them, and yes i beleive shep does awesome work
no im not sure, thats why im asking
from a shep tranny?
i would deffinetly be pissed off if i bought a tranny from shep and it made any noise at all. Regardless if the guy has a great rep, know one is perfect.
theres obviously somthing wrong, and if the trans is extremly loud its not the OP's fault.
if its a heat sheild thats another qeustion.
theres obviously somthing wrong, and if the trans is extremly loud its not the OP's fault.
if its a heat sheild thats another qeustion.
yes sir
its an exedy hd pp with kevlar/ceramic sprung hub disk
Great, now there is a thread with the name "new shep tranny sux!?!?!" and it might not even be the tranny. Newbs will read that and not the whole thread where the issue was found. Its most likely the clutch or one of the shields mentioned earlier. My god sometimes people dont think ahead now Shep will have to spend hours answering PM's, email and phone calls about this instead of working his magic on trannys in his shop.
OP, yes it is okay to ask the community what the problem might be but next time dont put "new shep tranny sux!?!?!" unless you have proof and tried your best to remedy with the vendor.
Rant over. JL
OP, yes it is okay to ask the community what the problem might be but next time dont put "new shep tranny sux!?!?!" unless you have proof and tried your best to remedy with the vendor.
Rant over. JL
im sure shep will not get a single more pm about this. and if so, tell him i apologize. and i have tried to remedy with the vendor. thankyou yes!
i'll join in, as the 4th person asking, what kind of clutch are you running? twin plate clutch? unsprung disk? carbon clutch?
i've had broken gears in customers trannys before, and the noise it makes is a clunking sound every time the gear spins (and only happened when the gear was spinning, i.e. driving forward). if your hearing a rattle at idle, and not moving, it cannot be the output side of the tranny because that side is not moving. the only moving part in the tranny is the input side when idling, and thats only assuming the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal out. if you press the clutch in, nothing in the tranny will be moving (so if your hearing a rattle at idle with the car in gear and clutch pedal depressed, its NOT the tranny.
here are some other suggestions:
1. the metal plate between the flywheel and engine block could be missing the bolts that hold it to the block. could cause a vibration sound of metal on metal.
2. downpipe hitting subframe supports (very common, especially at idle)
3. head shields around driveshaft and exhaust
4. front or rear or side motor mount not tight. this would make a clunking sound in hard accel or decel.
5. and of course, the clutch can be chattering. ESPECIALLY if you have a twin.
i've had broken gears in customers trannys before, and the noise it makes is a clunking sound every time the gear spins (and only happened when the gear was spinning, i.e. driving forward). if your hearing a rattle at idle, and not moving, it cannot be the output side of the tranny because that side is not moving. the only moving part in the tranny is the input side when idling, and thats only assuming the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal out. if you press the clutch in, nothing in the tranny will be moving (so if your hearing a rattle at idle with the car in gear and clutch pedal depressed, its NOT the tranny.
here are some other suggestions:
1. the metal plate between the flywheel and engine block could be missing the bolts that hold it to the block. could cause a vibration sound of metal on metal.
2. downpipe hitting subframe supports (very common, especially at idle)
3. head shields around driveshaft and exhaust
4. front or rear or side motor mount not tight. this would make a clunking sound in hard accel or decel.
5. and of course, the clutch can be chattering. ESPECIALLY if you have a twin.
all the bolts were replaced on the metal plate, downpipe clears fine, heat shields have been checked/removed, all engine mounts have been tripple checked.
A lot of technical experts have already chimed in... just saying "it can't be that, I've done this many times before" isn't going to get you anywhere closer to solving this problem.
Possible problem areas include:
1) clutch
2) pressure plate
3) some shield that was mentioned above
4) throw out bearing
Only way to eliminate them for sure, is to change them out.
Have you even contacted Shep for any possible advice?
Possible problem areas include:
1) clutch
2) pressure plate
3) some shield that was mentioned above
4) throw out bearing
Only way to eliminate them for sure, is to change them out.
Have you even contacted Shep for any possible advice?
the pressure plate was checked
all sheilds have been checked/removed.
tob is new.
the comments back were just stating that i have checked/replaced/ or installed properly. NOOOO it cant be the heat sheild because its not there, it cant be that because it was replaced
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There's only a few things it could possibly be like Fireball said, everythings been covered. The car can't be fixed over the internet, you're just going to have to pull it back apart and recheck everything external before giving up and sending it back to Shep.
Clear sign of where the problem is:
When the clutch is pushed to the floor, the sound goes away.
That means it's not a transmission problem.
That means while there is no pressure on the clutch disc, the noise is gone.
You keep saying an Exedy clutch... however you now state an Exedy PP and a kevlar/ceramic disc.
It is the clutch... either the way it is installed, or a defect of the clutch.
When the clutch is pushed to the floor, the sound goes away.
That means it's not a transmission problem.
That means while there is no pressure on the clutch disc, the noise is gone.
You keep saying an Exedy clutch... however you now state an Exedy PP and a kevlar/ceramic disc.
It is the clutch... either the way it is installed, or a defect of the clutch.
so to clarify, you get this rattle sound at idle only when the clutch pedal is not depressed? and also on decel?
here are a few things to try to narrow down the problem:
1. does it make the sound if you are in nuetral, not moving, with the clutch pedal out?
2. does it make the sound if you are in gear, not moving, with the clutch pedal depressed? (you said no for this)
3. does it make the sound if you are in neutral, not moving, and you slightly press the clutch pedal, enough where the TOB is pulling on the pressure plate, but the clutch disk is still spinning (i.e. you can't put it in gear yet)?
4. can you futher describe the sound you are hearing? is it a timing ticking sound? like syncronized with the engine speed? if you are in neutral, and rev the engine, does the rattle get faster, louder, not change, or stop all together?
5. does the clutch pedal vibrate at all when pressed?
6. if you cruise at say 45mph, put the car in 3rd gear, and press the clutch pedal in, does it makes the sound?
edit* and no i'm not being an *** by asking all these weird questions. by answering them, i can definitively tell you if it is the tranny or something else.
here are a few things to try to narrow down the problem:
1. does it make the sound if you are in nuetral, not moving, with the clutch pedal out?
2. does it make the sound if you are in gear, not moving, with the clutch pedal depressed? (you said no for this)
3. does it make the sound if you are in neutral, not moving, and you slightly press the clutch pedal, enough where the TOB is pulling on the pressure plate, but the clutch disk is still spinning (i.e. you can't put it in gear yet)?
4. can you futher describe the sound you are hearing? is it a timing ticking sound? like syncronized with the engine speed? if you are in neutral, and rev the engine, does the rattle get faster, louder, not change, or stop all together?
5. does the clutch pedal vibrate at all when pressed?
6. if you cruise at say 45mph, put the car in 3rd gear, and press the clutch pedal in, does it makes the sound?
edit* and no i'm not being an *** by asking all these weird questions. by answering them, i can definitively tell you if it is the tranny or something else.
Last edited by KevinD; May 27, 2009 at 10:50 AM.
Clear sign of where the problem is:
When the clutch is pushed to the floor, the sound goes away.
That means it's not a transmission problem.
That means while there is no pressure on the clutch disc, the noise is gone.
You keep saying an Exedy clutch... however you now state an Exedy PP and a kevlar/ceramic disc.
It is the clutch... either the way it is installed, or a defect of the clutch.
When the clutch is pushed to the floor, the sound goes away.
That means it's not a transmission problem.
That means while there is no pressure on the clutch disc, the noise is gone.
You keep saying an Exedy clutch... however you now state an Exedy PP and a kevlar/ceramic disc.
It is the clutch... either the way it is installed, or a defect of the clutch.
so to clarify, you get this rattle sound at idle only when the clutch pedal is not depressed? and also on decel?
here are a few things to try to narrow down the problem:
1. does it make the sound if you are in nuetral, not moving, with the clutch pedal out?
2. does it make the sound if you are in gear, not moving, with the clutch pedal depressed? (you said no for this)
3. does it make the sound if you are in neutral, not moving, and you slightly press the clutch pedal, enough where the TOB is pulling on the pressure plate, but the clutch disk is still spinning (i.e. you can't put it in gear yet)?
4. can you futher describe the sound you are hearing? is it a timing ticking sound? like syncronized with the engine speed? if you are in neutral, and rev the engine, does the rattle get faster, louder, not change, or stop all together?
5. does the clutch pedal vibrate at all when pressed?
6. if you cruise at say 45mph, put the car in 3rd gear, and press the clutch pedal in, does it makes the sound?
edit* and no i'm not being an *** by asking all these weird questions. by answering them, i can definitively tell you if it is the tranny or something else.
here are a few things to try to narrow down the problem:
1. does it make the sound if you are in nuetral, not moving, with the clutch pedal out?
2. does it make the sound if you are in gear, not moving, with the clutch pedal depressed? (you said no for this)
3. does it make the sound if you are in neutral, not moving, and you slightly press the clutch pedal, enough where the TOB is pulling on the pressure plate, but the clutch disk is still spinning (i.e. you can't put it in gear yet)?
4. can you futher describe the sound you are hearing? is it a timing ticking sound? like syncronized with the engine speed? if you are in neutral, and rev the engine, does the rattle get faster, louder, not change, or stop all together?
5. does the clutch pedal vibrate at all when pressed?
6. if you cruise at say 45mph, put the car in 3rd gear, and press the clutch pedal in, does it makes the sound?
edit* and no i'm not being an *** by asking all these weird questions. by answering them, i can definitively tell you if it is the tranny or something else.
1.yes, it makes the sound in neutral, no moving with the pedal out.
2.no, id does not make the sound while in gear, not moving, with the pedal pressed to the floor.
3. yes it still makes the sound with the pedal slighty pressed just putting pressure on the tob.(tried this as well)
4.the sound will speed up with engine speed, but its not a steady sound, like the tick of a lifter or injector. if im in neutral and rev the engine, it does seem to get louder. if i depress the clutch, it makes no sound at all.
5.the clutch pedal does NOT vibrate or rattle at all.
6.no, it does not make the sound at all with the clutch pedal pressed to the floor.
My car rattles too BUT i dont have a shep tranny. It DOES NOT RATTLE LOUDLY. IT DOES have an exedy twin though. I was told that the chattering is from an uneven surface on the flywheel. Lol, somebody else said that it was the throw-out bearing. Im NOT an expert on this but your "symptoms" sound very similar to my car and a 350z that I owned previously. WHEN I PRESS THE CLUTCH, THE RATTLING GOES AWAY. Im thinking it something up with your clutch. Not saying it was the install, but maybe a defect with the clutch and flywheel. One of friends works for Competition Clutch who makes a lot of clutches for a lot of different companies. I'll see if he can shed some light.