xede vs. power fc
#16
Originally posted by SILVER SURFER
[B]While the APEXI is very powerful, there are certain correction maps that they do not allow even the certified tuners to adjust, some of the other systems coming like the AEM, Autronic, etc, allow you access to everything. For the majority of tuners out there these added maps usually create more problems than solutions. Most of these added features are for environmental conditions that are almost impossible for a single tuner to simulate, and since these added correction maps all interact with each other, you end up causing more problems by having to many adjustments.
[B]While the APEXI is very powerful, there are certain correction maps that they do not allow even the certified tuners to adjust, some of the other systems coming like the AEM, Autronic, etc, allow you access to everything. For the majority of tuners out there these added maps usually create more problems than solutions. Most of these added features are for environmental conditions that are almost impossible for a single tuner to simulate, and since these added correction maps all interact with each other, you end up causing more problems by having to many adjustments.
#17
There's a pricing inconsistency.. I've seen the DJetro for the Evo for around $1800 (including the FC Commander) and the model (LJetro? with the FC Command but Without the MAP Upgrade) for around $1200 is that the going rate?
Another thought, Apexi says that their boost control solenoid addon is not required for cars that are already turbocharged.. Did you find you were able to adjust the stock solenoid?
Another thought, Apexi says that their boost control solenoid addon is not required for cars that are already turbocharged.. Did you find you were able to adjust the stock solenoid?
To be honest I already have a Profec-B spec II so I haven’t used the built in boost control, but it does work with the stock solenoid. I was planning to try it out, it should be better than what I have now because it let’s you set the duty cycle per RPM which should allow for better and more flexible control.
I am sort of beta testing this system for a big APEXI distributor/tunner in TX, so far we have only tested and tuned on the street. Two other cars are also testing/tuning, one bone stock another modified similar to mine. There will be some dyno and road course test and tune before this particular distributor will sell them to the general public. They will also offer revised maps based on our testing, the first few will probably have to be local so the maps can be verified.
The only issues so far are: factory fuel map was actually way to conservative, and the fan control is disabled in the tuning software for some reason, and set to come on way to high in our opinion (212F). The distributor will not sell them until this fan control issue is resolved, it’s not dangerous mind you, the fans do come on, just not at the temp we would like. APEXI is working on this but it may require sending the units back for a reflash, hopefully we will get revised units to swap out with first.
The after market tuning interface is not available yet, so if you find one for sale, I would only let a certified APEXI tuner with the factory tuning interface adjust it for you. Once the Datalogit option is available, any tuner/owner with a wide band should be able to do the job.
#18
I don't think your pricing is correct, but till I speak with Apex'i tomorrow , I cannot say for sure.
Malibu - in order to have the Power FC control boost, you need the boost control kit for teh power FC as well, which is quite expensive. This kit includes their boost control solenoid, as well as the interface to the pwoer FC. This seperate "kit" will allow the PFC to control boost as well.
Malibu - in order to have the Power FC control boost, you need the boost control kit for teh power FC as well, which is quite expensive. This kit includes their boost control solenoid, as well as the interface to the pwoer FC. This seperate "kit" will allow the PFC to control boost as well.
#19
If you can get the D-Jetro kit for $980 sell me a few. THat's about half of normal street price. I think you are just looking at the price for the core unit. YOu also need the commander, the sensors (each sold seperately) and if you want, the boost control module.
#21
Spoke with Apexi today - while the prices are $895 (L Jetro) and $980 (D Jetro) for the 2 units, these are just the core ecu's themselves. Also required are:
3 bar map sensor - $75.00
map sensor harness - $14.95
intake air temp sensor - $115.00
intake air temp sensor harness - $25.40
If you want the Power FC to control boost, you must also buy the optional boost control kit as well - $389.00
If you want to make changes yourself, you must also buy the Power FC commander ($350) - this not only displays various data points from the Power FC, but allows the user to make changes to the maps.
There is more advanced softwae option, but it is only available to Power Excel Shps 9in similar fashion to he HKS F CON software), and this is only tunable at that particular location (not offered to the public as of yet, though that may change in the future). The Datalogit software is offered, but only for the L Jetro versions right now.
3 bar map sensor - $75.00
map sensor harness - $14.95
intake air temp sensor - $115.00
intake air temp sensor harness - $25.40
If you want the Power FC to control boost, you must also buy the optional boost control kit as well - $389.00
If you want to make changes yourself, you must also buy the Power FC commander ($350) - this not only displays various data points from the Power FC, but allows the user to make changes to the maps.
There is more advanced softwae option, but it is only available to Power Excel Shps 9in similar fashion to he HKS F CON software), and this is only tunable at that particular location (not offered to the public as of yet, though that may change in the future). The Datalogit software is offered, but only for the L Jetro versions right now.
#22
After talking with adam at length I came to the consensus:
If I wanted a really good stand-alone ecu for a moderate price I would purchase the L Jetro Power FC...as it is very good system and 900 dollars.
Now to get the functionality I want...
Switch to MAP system, Datalogging, Laptop Use, Boost Control
I would have to purchase the D-Jetro +
The Boost Control is nearly 400 dollars (AEM 100)
The Dataloggit Software will probably be 330 Dollars (AEM FREE)
The Commander is 350 Dollars (ALREADY OWN LAPTOP)
The Sensors to switch to Map at 200 Dollars (SAME)
BTW: Apexi SAFC2+Harness+EVC5+Palm&Pocket Logger is only several hundred less than the AEM and you could buy the L-Jetro for the same price.
In the end its going to be the same price...
Now i'm going purchase the AEM & All the AEM sensors...
You can switch to MAP, add boost control, UEGO, etc!
but more importantly i'll be purchasing it from Z1...
I have talked to ALOT of the vendors on the board...
Adam really knows his stuff...and hes got good deals
ok...back to studying latin
EDIT: BTW Mark @ Quantum is also VERY knowledgeable... Having personally talked to him about some strange aem ems ideas
If I wanted a really good stand-alone ecu for a moderate price I would purchase the L Jetro Power FC...as it is very good system and 900 dollars.
Now to get the functionality I want...
Switch to MAP system, Datalogging, Laptop Use, Boost Control
I would have to purchase the D-Jetro +
The Boost Control is nearly 400 dollars (AEM 100)
The Dataloggit Software will probably be 330 Dollars (AEM FREE)
The Commander is 350 Dollars (ALREADY OWN LAPTOP)
The Sensors to switch to Map at 200 Dollars (SAME)
BTW: Apexi SAFC2+Harness+EVC5+Palm&Pocket Logger is only several hundred less than the AEM and you could buy the L-Jetro for the same price.
In the end its going to be the same price...
Now i'm going purchase the AEM & All the AEM sensors...
You can switch to MAP, add boost control, UEGO, etc!
but more importantly i'll be purchasing it from Z1...
I have talked to ALOT of the vendors on the board...
Adam really knows his stuff...and hes got good deals
ok...back to studying latin
EDIT: BTW Mark @ Quantum is also VERY knowledgeable... Having personally talked to him about some strange aem ems ideas
Last edited by 5StarSuzuki; Oct 14, 2003 at 08:28 PM.
#23
Well, curiosity got the better of me so I hooked up the stock boost control solenoid. The answer to "does the Power FC control boost without the added boost solenoid kit" is yes and no. It does control the stock solenoid and gives you essentially stock boost, I had the restrictor pill removed before I went with a separate boost control, so now I saw 20-21PSI tapering to 17-18 PSI, pretty much just like the stock computer. The problem is that APEXI does not allow you access to the duty cycle control for the stock boost solenoid . For certain other cars the Power FC does allow you to adjust the boost and there is no good reason why it could not be done here. They obviously have the ability to do so without the need for an additional control solenoid, they just need to release that control function in the software.
My distributor/tuner is going to see if APEXI can release that function along with the fan control, which absolutely needs to happen.
My distributor/tuner is going to see if APEXI can release that function along with the fan control, which absolutely needs to happen.
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