Has anyone tried "Forced Fed" kit he said was good? I would like some reviews on his and the devilsown one. thank you

 

You can save your self proclaimed conclusions for an audience less intelligent than evom readers.

We have 7 years of water, methanol, nitromethane tuning experience in the Evo alone along with hundreds of Evos under our belt. Installed every kit in the marketplace from SMC, Labonte, Snow, Aquamist, devilsown, AEM, Alkycontrol, and have our own TTP-Engineering methanol injection system.

We are an Aquamist dealer and installer.

We CHOOSE to use 100% methanol because our $80,000.00 investment in our Mustang Dyno has proven over the years that everytime someone reads a stupid post claiming water is better than meth, they are always shocked when their numbers fall short of their goals. Changing to 100% methanol most always brings the car the rest of the way to optimize the engine's performance.

Water injection is for those who get their tuning tips from World War II supercharged plane engines. Welcome to 2010, you are using 1942 tuning tips.

 

Evan is still going at this one. and btw i do run 100% meth in my car(my sig says no meth because i went 123.1 mph on stock turbo/stock trans). so i am not against it by any means.
but to the OP for the money i think theres more upgrades to be done before i would rely on meth for power.

 

Wow what’s with the personal attacks? Self proclaimed conclusions? That’s exactly what you just did! You flaunting all that you have and do doesn’t impress me. Nor do you seem to take advice from the very dealer who has been building these kits for 20+ years. I promise they know more about this subject than you.

Listening to Richard and personal experience I have learned a lot. Methanol is easier to tune. That or you haven’t yet properly set up a kit on 50/50 just 100% meth. I have seen on a mustang 20 whp just from Jet placement and some tuning.

Water is better than methanol in almost every way! It has twice the cooling capabilities, 0 CO productions, not corrosive in nature, widely available, cheap, needs half as much and controls knock and detonation better with little effect on deflagration. When done correctly 100% H20 will be better than methanol. Pure science and thermal dynamics.

Internal combustion engine from 1912 shame on you! Not to mention the idea of Fuel injection since the 1950’s Also turbo’s have been around for 50+ years! Since the 1970’s we have had over 20,000 “alternate fuel” cars that could run on alcohol so is E85 a 1970 tuning tip? WRC, F1 used water and proved its worth, and they are the 2 most technological advance racing series out there shame on them for using such old tuning ideas! Come on really? We build upon the brilliance of others and perfect their theories and ideas, but sometimes there isn’t anything better.

My personal car 2.5 years ago on a mustang dyno. The shop since had to get a new computer so I no longer have access to these graphs but as I remember;

Evo 9 Stock Turbo Cams Intercooler and Block all on 91 32 psi with a Aquamist 2D system . Only difference was tuning, and changing jet locations.

100% meth made 341 whp
50/50 made 348 whp
50/50(with nitro) made 357 whp
100% water 382 whp

Abner’s Evo 8 Stock turbo, cams, intercooler, block all on 87 octane with a Aquamist 2d system.
100% water made 353 whp and 357 tq

To be able to extract the most amount of power from any mixture the jet sizes and placement make a big difference. Not to mention when the mixture is introduced and climate plays a lot in this equation. You need to read the SAE PAPERS and see what the military and others have discovered. Water holds a lot of potential for heat control.

TTP, So it’s obvious that you make methanol work very cool, but E85 is a much better and less corrosive solution. Very few seem to make water work do to climate and lack of understanding. Your company has made results for many customers. Many have been happy with them. 100% methanol does work well in many applications, but you’re missing out on the real cooling capabilities of water. I know and respect your opinions but the personal attacks need to stop! Its non professional and immature. If you want to keep doing that go here: http://www.honda-tech.com/ LOL . I’m trying to stay civil with you, please do the same.

Yes I am, and have put many to shame on my 91 H20 map when they have Meth or E85 It works so good! Or I wouldn’t be so adamant about it. I do agree with you there are other upgrades the op could do to make more dependable and consistent power. Any form of injection needs retuned at least twice a year according to temp changes to make the most power.

Respectfully,
Evan Smith

 

Well ive decided on the aquamist kit, Alfred at Tunning Tech quoted me 650$ for it, and said he could tune on it on a dual map, set up one for pump gas and the other for meth and I should be able to make anywhere from 350-370awhp on 100%. Thanks everyone though for your information.

 

Good info Evan!

Can i use tap water? or do i need to use distilled/deionised water?
where is the best placement for the sprayer?
Whats the best spray angle? with or against the airflow, or at 90 degrees?

Cheers, Mike

 

We are done discussing what we have proven otherwise with dynotesting time and time again. Not basing our results on one dyno sheet from 2.5 years ago.

Methanol is the way to go for best performance period.

 

This is the worst statement ever. I personally didn't see any power difference between 50/50, 75/25, and 100/0 meth/water mixtures. As long as the AFR is adjusted (11.8, 11.3, 11.0 respectively) power remains the same. That, coupled with the fact that 50/50 is not flammable (safety first, right? these are street cars!) and it brings cost of the mixture down, is why I have run 50/50 for 2 years now in my DD Evo.

So your 'TTP' kits are really Aquamist kits then? Cool! Why not just say that in your posts in the dyno results section? Aquamist is the best. Most of the other kits on the market are jizunk in comparison. Would you mind actually sharing any back-to-back testing you've done showing why 100% is the best? It truly is 'easier' to tune, but again, I've seen no power advantage in my personal testing.

 

No! make sure its distilled. Tap water over time will have calcium build up and can cause clogged jets. With a 50/50 the methanol will help prevent that to.

Best location always depends on the IC piping. On stock CP9A I always do one prior to the BOV and one after. At least 6in minimum from the TB second one 14-18 inches away.

Spray angle wont matter with proper atomization it will full evaporate prior to hitting the TB.



OK in that case please don't bring up your "years" of methanol injection experience. Although being 2.5 years ago doesn't take away it's apparent results I received that water works!!! AMS still holds the quarter mile reccord and that was over a year ago, do they not base their results off that car to this day???

I also have new recent results on my personal car with Direct Port 100% water. I am waiting for the car to be finished with paint ect ect to post results. Instead of buying a 80k dyno I put the money in improving and testing my own knowledge. Ill just borrow a dyno till I get my own

In respect, you have found methanol to work best for you and your clients. Again thats great! But I know that in my personal experience and the experience of Aquamist them-selfs have had the best results using primarily or 50/50 H20!

Respectfully,

Evan Smith

 

direct port injection?
as in you are running 4x nozzles, 1x in each runner?

 

Correct. It insures even distribution and has more in cylinder cooling. Also this is how you get the best gains from a 100% water. See H20 has a lot higher viscosity than meth so it doesn't distribute as easily but it cools 2x's as much! I also have a .7 jet way down stream.

 

very nice setup.
Could i get a detailed list of what you are using?

Now the important question - With the Same tune (no changes to timing/fuel/boost), will the introduction of water and/or Meth injection lose power?

 

I recently got my meth kit installed with cams, gained 100whp and 70wtq running 100% meth, my car is crazy fast now.

 

[QUOTE]No AMS just ran the car a few weeks ago on its current setup.

 

No, TTP injection kits are NOT aquamist kits.

Aquamist uses the same Aquajet pumps as the TTP kits. That is where the similarities end.

Ours is $394 and theirs is $682 for HFS-1.

Our years of dynotesting has clearly shown the 100% methanol cars leading the mixed cars by 5-10% power output.