Well i searched and there are only a few posts about these why is this? It seems like it would be a great thing to do if it was not bad for the motor.

 

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/A...mance.com.html

i did mine

 

well since i'm doing my 60 service would you guys take out the balance shatf belt and tensioner, and just get the eliminator kit?

 

I would, but your talking some extra labor if your getting it done at a shop.

 

Im also looking into this.

 

You are going to want to do it! It's better for your engine. Make sure get a AMS race style (the newer style) and not the older version!

 

does te motor need to come completely out to do it?

 

It makes the job much easier, the hardest part of removing the balance shafts is you need to re align the balance shaft bearings so that they block the oil feed wholes that used to lubricate the rear balance shaft. Ams's balance shaft eliminator is a good way to destroy an oil pump. Of two cars I have seen them used in, both suffered severe oil pump damage, same installer same tools used a stubby shaft and there has been no issues since. DO NOT fall into the trap of if its more expensive it must be better.

 

i have the mistu own own bs eliminator kit so im using oem parts ill do it that way and get the job done with the same effects

 

AMS uses a full sized balance shaft with the weights milled off of it. This provides the front oil pump gear with the proper support. This is the first instance that the stubby is more effective than the full sized version.

 

How exactly does it provide support to the drive gear? There is an oil clearence between the two gears. AMS can offer you no proof weather its better or worse for the oil pump, I am not saying its worse than stubby shaft but its ridiculous they make this claim and no one calls them out. It just makes me want to go into business selling metric vise grips cuz apparently people will buy anything if you can give them a reason.

I called AMS after my oil pump/ motor went **** up, I simply, asked for a refund not for them to cover any of my labor, damages, or parts. All I wanted was my 150 bux back for the stupid kit, they wouldn't even do that. The guy said on the phone there could have been too many variables that could have made my oil pump fail.

For reference it was a brand new timing belt and tensioner used with their kit. I noticed some oil on the inside edge of the timing belt, by the time I noticed that my oil filter already weighed ten pounds from all the bearing material.


People have been using the stubby shafts for over 15 years now, just because AMS came up with a way to over complicate it doesn't mean its better. What kills the oil pump is improper tension on the timing belt and lack of assembly lube inside the oil pump.

After the way they handled the situation I would not buy 20 dollar bills for ten bux from AMS..... go ahead and ask me how i really feel about it.

 

Ok I have to.......How do you really feel about it?

 

all know is that i have talked to several people that have had ams parts from motors to heads to bs kits etc that have had CRAPPY service from them and products it happens hints the fact why people need to get off brand names its not always better period.

 

so im looking at buying AMS race kit for my Evo 8 MR. would the kit be considered bolt on? or is there any custom fab that may take place while eliminating the balance shaft belt? (Excuse my n00b.. just wanting some info lol)

 

All this balance shaft eliminator practice comes from DSM land where balance shaft failure was commoner then crank walk. On this forum I remember a couple of occurrences of balance shaft failure and lots of blown engines. So, I suggest, removing the balance shafts just to eliminate a common mode of failure no longer makes sense. It is nice to be able to read the speedometer. If you are looking for the last bit of horse power for a drag car then it still make sense.