poll Dynoflash vs. Exede
Originally posted by MP5
What about my chances of Law AL?
Talk me into that I did pop a 164 on the LSAT 
What about my chances of Law AL?
Talk me into that I did pop a 164 on the LSAT
Did you know that David at works is a lawyer?
Originally posted by DynoFlash
I am sure you would be a most interesting person to meet !
I hope to make it down that way at some point but the problem is getting my car there !
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I am sure you would be a most interesting person to meet !
I hope to make it down that way at some point but the problem is getting my car there !
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Well out of over 1000 actual flash procedures completed by myself personally
Well out of over 1000 actual flash procedures completed by myself personally
Originally posted by MP5
Good that saves me a plane trip to CT and drifting into Pruvens parking lot in a rented Contour just to bite you in the neck!
Good that saves me a plane trip to CT and drifting into Pruvens parking lot in a rented Contour just to bite you in the neck!
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Hey Al, someone told me to check out the UTEC, I am new to all this and have a 100% stock car. So you like the UTEC? Everyone says that support is MUCH better and they have a huge fan base.
Originally posted by DynoFlash
Ramdom accounts are a few accounts to many in my book if your the one with the problem - I sell the reflash becuase there are no problems
IF I wanted to take a step up - a Motec pro PNP board is the way to go
BTW - has any one seriously considered that for about $900 or so the Turbo XS unichip will be out very soon which will crush the Exede like the piggy back toy it is !
I picked my prices - - $595 on the dyno custom tune; $450 tuned at Pruven and $225 throuh the mail flash - - - for a very important reason - - when the Turbo XS Utec is out it will be game OVER on these Exeds - period
Ramdom accounts are a few accounts to many in my book if your the one with the problem - I sell the reflash becuase there are no problems
IF I wanted to take a step up - a Motec pro PNP board is the way to go
BTW - has any one seriously considered that for about $900 or so the Turbo XS unichip will be out very soon which will crush the Exede like the piggy back toy it is !
I picked my prices - - $595 on the dyno custom tune; $450 tuned at Pruven and $225 throuh the mail flash - - - for a very important reason - - when the Turbo XS Utec is out it will be game OVER on these Exeds - period
Originally posted by 2fast2Furious
Hey Al, someone told me to check out the UTEC, I am new to all this and have a 100% stock car. So you like the UTEC? Everyone says that support is MUCH better and they have a huge fan base.
Hey Al, someone told me to check out the UTEC, I am new to all this and have a 100% stock car. So you like the UTEC? Everyone says that support is MUCH better and they have a huge fan base.
My entire approach to the business of Dyno Flash is based upon what I learned as a customer at Turbo XS -- - Back in the day Mark's way of just eating huge fed ex bills to overnight things to clients and their policy of just eating losses on things that went bad even if it was the customer's fault - - that was a revelation in the industry -- the very rapid growth of TX's was evidence to me that being nice and decent to your clients was the best path for long term success
When I was at the 1st East Coast Subaru shoot out and was nearly beat with my totally worked killer STI by Tx's with their Stage 4 kit I realized that not only we they guys that knew how to take care of customers - they also knew how to put together a very good package for performance and value
Vishnu may have been the first on the block with some evo kits - but just you wait till team TX's starts to come out with the stuff they have been developing and desiging all these months - GAME OVER
Originally posted by DynoFlash
Obviously If you are able to write directly to the base maps and just change the fuel with no change in timing - as in a reflash - you can be much more accurate
Obviously If you are able to write directly to the base maps and just change the fuel with no change in timing - as in a reflash - you can be much more accurate
Originally posted by DynoFlash
You know that and I know that - but did the gentleman who claimed Exede had more reslolution than the stock ecu realize what a primative and half assed method it really is for tuning cars?
You know that and I know that - but did the gentleman who claimed Exede had more reslolution than the stock ecu realize what a primative and half assed method it really is for tuning cars?
Oh and heres a quote from Shiv-
April 4, 2003
The EVO XEDE is ready to go. It controls fuel delivery, spark timing and knock sensor sensitivity via 3D maps. Map resolution is outstanding, allowing 20x20 breakpoints for engine load and RPM. This is slightly greater resolution than the maps in your factory ECU.
As I said, while being able to edit twenty points on the axis anywhere throughout the rev range I wish, it gives me extreme tunability.
Last edited by boostedwrx; Nov 6, 2003 at 11:46 PM.
Originally posted by boostedwrx
The Xede does have better resolution than the stock ecu does at 20x20. That means I can edit twenty axis points throughout the rev range Al. When I have a timing curve that slopes like Fuji it doesnt seem like a very primitive way of tuning to me.
The Xede does have better resolution than the stock ecu does at 20x20. That means I can edit twenty axis points throughout the rev range Al. When I have a timing curve that slopes like Fuji it doesnt seem like a very primitive way of tuning to me.
Originally posted by boostedwrx
You can do the same with the Xede and just edit the MAF map while not even inputting a timing map.
You can do the same with the Xede and just edit the MAF map while not even inputting a timing map.
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
The stock ign curve is 20 x 19 - how can you achieve better resolution than that by manipulating the input sensors ?>?? The Exede may have great internal resultuion but it can only be as effective as trhe resolution of the factory ecu - the factory ecu actually does the work
The stock ign curve is 20 x 19 - how can you achieve better resolution than that by manipulating the input sensors ?>?? The Exede may have great internal resultuion but it can only be as effective as trhe resolution of the factory ecu - the factory ecu actually does the work
As you pointed out, the XEDE cannot magically make the ECU have more map cells, but with the greater resolution you can vary the signals the ECU is seeing more frequently and that is much more important than how many map cells the stock ECU has.
Let's say the stock ECU has 16x16 maps for fuel and ignition. Because it is passively driven by continuous (i.e. non-discrete) signals, it can only ever possess 256 output "behaviors" per function map.
The XEDE on the other hand has 20x20 (RPM x reference) cells (user definable breakpoints), but more importantly it can drive the ECU inputs absolutely. It can effect 400 different ECU behaviors because there are 400 different output value combinations with which it can drive the ECU's inputs discretely. As long as the tuner knows the behavior of the stock ECU map cells, the XEDE can effect 11% more behaviors than the stock ECU because the XEDE can tell the ECU to do exactly what it wants by inducing belief that it is operating in a given cell. Obviously this is only as safe as the stock ECU's behavior is well understood, but at this point Vishnu has it all but completely decoded.
The arguments about the XEDE being prone to lag are ridiculous - it operates at 15MHz when engine events happen on the order of kHz and the math it's doing just isn't that hard.
The arguments about the XEDE "tricking" the stock ECU are also foolish. Again, provided the ECU's behavior is well enough mapped, the ECU is not a human being that is being lied to; it is a subsystem in an optimized engine control application.
Last edited by ez76; Nov 7, 2003 at 01:07 AM.
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Then - what effect does that have on the actual timing run by the ecu ??? Do you know ??
Then - what effect does that have on the actual timing run by the ecu ??? Do you know ??
Also unlike the Emanage the Xede is not universal. For example the Xede EVO and the Xede WRX have different firmware. The firm ware is the back end code that makes it work seemly with the stock ECU.
I have used the Uni-chip and I have ran 13.22@101 with my WRX. with stock turbo, stock exhaust just an upipe and colder plugs and pulley. I liked the uni-chip it worked well until there was a large change in out side temp. The car would fell like ****. But the Uni-chip is not all the bad. Just you can't tune it to the limits like you can Xede or reflash. And this was proven to me by seeing Ecuteck WRX VS Exed WRX. Both tuned the same way made the same exact power. The uni-chip could not do that with out having knock. I'm going to have to credit the Xede perfect crank replication for that. (Again a firm ware developed for the application IE Evo, IE WRX, IE STI)
On the Stock EBC with exed I can tune out to as much as 1.5bar on the stock cat and exhaust. I'm sure the EVC is a nice unit, but the stocker does not suck. The Xede controls boost in a standalone matter.
Also about the knock being altered it's not the way that you think.
There is ghost knock the the sensor picks up. This car is noise was hell and it makes the Knock sensor react. I have played with this and my det phones and it's really overly active. But you can turn this feature off if you feel that it's not the saftys way to run your set up.
Yet again Al you don't have experiance with the product so don't assume it works like everything else.
A flash is a great option. But not for everyone, and a stand alone is again not for everyone.
