i want a 6spd dammit
The six speed gear ratios are nearly the same as the 5 speed gear ratios, but the 6th gear is what the 5th gear is on the 5 speed. The USDM Evo falls on it's face going into 5th. The 6 speed helps fix this by bringing 5th much closer to the US 4th and stretching 6th little more for overall top speed. This is such a simple option to offer on the EVO in the US and Mitsu is just sandbagging bringing it over so they have more ammunition in each model year.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evo...=1&strCar1=QB9
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/tech.jsp
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evo...=1&strCar1=QB9
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/tech.jsp
I drive an Evo 8 in Singapore which is the JDM model. If I read the posts right and the lower gears in the 5-spd and the 6-spd have the same ratios, then it will make more sense for you guys in the US to have the 6-spd rather than us in Singapore. Singapore is only 42-km wide for goodness sake! The overdrive gear is really useful for cruising and saves on petrol-consumption.
One more thing I noticed about the JDM stock models vs the US model. The console in the JDM reads "Evolution" rather than "Lancer".
One more thing I noticed about the JDM stock models vs the US model. The console in the JDM reads "Evolution" rather than "Lancer".
Originally posted by Mister2zx3
The six speed gear ratios are nearly the same as the 5 speed gear ratios, but the 6th gear is what the 5th gear is on the 5 speed. The USDM Evo falls on it's face going into 5th. The 6 speed helps fix this by bringing 5th much closer to the US 4th and stretching 6th little more for overall top speed. This is such a simple option to offer on the EVO in the US and Mitsu is just sandbagging bringing it over so they have more ammunition in each model year.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evo...=1&strCar1=QB9
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/tech.jsp
The six speed gear ratios are nearly the same as the 5 speed gear ratios, but the 6th gear is what the 5th gear is on the 5 speed. The USDM Evo falls on it's face going into 5th. The 6 speed helps fix this by bringing 5th much closer to the US 4th and stretching 6th little more for overall top speed. This is such a simple option to offer on the EVO in the US and Mitsu is just sandbagging bringing it over so they have more ammunition in each model year.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evo...=1&strCar1=QB9
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/tech.jsp
I totally agree but truth be told the 5MT is a hell of a unit and even if I had a choice I still might pick the 5MT
Given the option, I'd take a 6spd SMT. But There is no option, so Mitsu is just not getting my money. Maybe they'll offer it, maybe I'll hold out until a AWD G35 with a 3.5L V6 screaming for a set of turbos to be slapped on shows up. HP is so easy to get, drivetrain swaps usually have more issues than bolting on a few more ponies in my experience, so I'd hope Mitsu would offer what we can't find better aftermarket or isn't worth the cost/hassle.
The gear ratios in the USDM Evo 8 really suck, especially for drag racing. In between shifts, the car falls flat on it's face. We need ratios more like the STi's 6MT. Yes, you do need 5th gear to pass the 1/4 mile, but with closer gears, the car accelerates quicker. Also, the USDM Evo 8's 5MT's 5th gear totally sucks. It's way out there. Might be good for gas mileage, but that's it. If you race anywhere, shifting 4 - 5th, even at redline, the car falls flat on it's face.
I used to own a JDM 7 and now a JDM 8. One of the reasons why I changed cars was because of the 6 speed. There is a big difference in the driving experience.
The 6 speed MT is basically the close ratio one from the RS models with an additional cog.
In the JDM 8 marketing brochure, they did a comparison of the 7 GSR and the 8 GSR. The 8 GSR was 0.1 second faster to 60 mph and 0.1 of a second to the 1/4.
But from 40-80 kmh in fourth gear, the 8 GSR was faster by 0.7 seconds. From 80-100 kmh in fourth gear, it was 0.5 seconds faster. In other words, if you were to hold 4th gear from 40 kmh to 120 kmh in a JDM 7 GSR vs a JDM 8 GSR, both in stock trim, you're going to see a 1.2 second difference in acceleration.
Bottom line... more gears = more options. Choice can't be all that bad.
The 6 speed MT is basically the close ratio one from the RS models with an additional cog.
In the JDM 8 marketing brochure, they did a comparison of the 7 GSR and the 8 GSR. The 8 GSR was 0.1 second faster to 60 mph and 0.1 of a second to the 1/4.
But from 40-80 kmh in fourth gear, the 8 GSR was faster by 0.7 seconds. From 80-100 kmh in fourth gear, it was 0.5 seconds faster. In other words, if you were to hold 4th gear from 40 kmh to 120 kmh in a JDM 7 GSR vs a JDM 8 GSR, both in stock trim, you're going to see a 1.2 second difference in acceleration.
Bottom line... more gears = more options. Choice can't be all that bad.
People with experience proving what a look over the gear ratios show. Thanks!
Mitsu, we're waiting.. checkbooks are just a burn'n a hole in our pockets.. Help us relieve some of this discomfort..
Mitsu, we're waiting.. checkbooks are just a burn'n a hole in our pockets.. Help us relieve some of this discomfort..
The primary advantage with the 6-speed is reduced fuel consumption on the highway. However the one thing no one's mentioned is that the 5-speed in our cars is the ruggedly built gearbox from the JDM RS. This tranny is very strong and made to take abuse. From that standpoint alone, it's not a bad predicament. Given a choice, I would rather have the 6-speed for the reason I mentioned above and I also love the reverse gear lockout.
Originally posted by Chris in HB
.....However the one thing no one's mentioned is that the 5-speed in our cars is the ruggedly built gearbox from the JDM RS. ..........
.....However the one thing no one's mentioned is that the 5-speed in our cars is the ruggedly built gearbox from the JDM RS. ..........
Hi Chris,
This is not so. The transmission you have is identical to the 5 speed found in the Evo VII GSR, same W5M51 box, same ratios . The RS's box comes in standard & short ratio versions ... :
edit:
i posted a montage of the ratios on page 3
hope this helps.
Last edited by jemm; Nov 12, 2003 at 05:44 AM.
Originally posted by jemm
Jesus H Christ! what does the rear AYC diff have to do with the 6 speed tranny?
THe (s)AYC and ACD are hydraulically linked and controlled by the same ECU & pump assembly... This system is INDEPENDENT of the gearbox. It is not contained in the transmission at all. What you need to find out is whether or not the 6speed will bolt onto your US transfer case with the viscous unit.
p.s. Are you folks aware that not all jdm/uk Evo 8's come with the 6 speed? Most RS versions come with the same W5m51 tranny that you have.. mated to the Transfer case containing the ACD. There is a dude down here that blew his 7's (same ct9a chassis as the 8) ACD and replaced it with a viscous unit that is said to come from the states.
Jesus H Christ! what does the rear AYC diff have to do with the 6 speed tranny?
THe (s)AYC and ACD are hydraulically linked and controlled by the same ECU & pump assembly... This system is INDEPENDENT of the gearbox. It is not contained in the transmission at all. What you need to find out is whether or not the 6speed will bolt onto your US transfer case with the viscous unit.
p.s. Are you folks aware that not all jdm/uk Evo 8's come with the 6 speed? Most RS versions come with the same W5m51 tranny that you have.. mated to the Transfer case containing the ACD. There is a dude down here that blew his 7's (same ct9a chassis as the 8) ACD and replaced it with a viscous unit that is said to come from the states.
The RS with the 5 speed is substantially slower around a road track than the 6 with the SAYC and ACD. I have the videos right here to prove my statement.


