I'm new to the community and I've just recently started to modify my evo 8. I need some advice in how to go about upgrading my turbo. I have a Precision t3/t4 turbo, 38mm tial wastegate, with a custom made turbo manifold that came off my friends evo 8. I would like to put this in my evo but I don't know what else I need to have this properly installed and running correctly.
What I already have installed is: Injen intake w/ IC piping, Perrin intercooler, Forge BOV, Walbro fp, Turbo XS TBE, AEM tru boost.

 

First, build up your post count so as to be able to post a 4-sale thread in the EvoM classifieds. Next, sell the PT&E T3/T4, the tial WG and the custom manifold. Then buy yourself a direct bolt-on turbo upgrade.... You can choose from the BBK-Full, the FP HTA Green, the FP Red, or the FP Black. Throw in a larger set of injectors and get a good tune. You'll be set to go and you'll save yourself a lot of headaches.

 

HTA Green gets my vote.

 

Why would you do such a stupid thing as this? No wonder people get tired of the forums. The guy didnt ask your opinion about stock style vs t3 turbos. If you cant answer the question the poster asked keep your mouth shut.

 

Oil Lines, down pipe, the 02 pipe, and LICP or charge pipe. You may also need water lines too. Once installed you will need larger injectors and a Tune.

 

I was just wondering whether I am able to install these parts without any complications. I have researched some about Precision turbo's and seem pretty good. Will I need to upgrade injectors, O2 sensor, etc... in order for this swap to happen?

 

Oil Lines, down pipe, the 02 pipe, and LICP or charge pipe. You may also need water lines too. Once installed you will need larger injectors and a Tune.
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Okay so my Turbo XS TBE, Injen LIcp will need to be upgraded? Will I need to add water lines at the time the turbo is installed?

 

No, you will only need the downpipe upgraded not the whole exhaust. The LICP will not match up to the new turbo perfectly so you will need that also. If the eye bolts for the new turbo are different than the old one you will need to upgrade these also. Larger injectors are needed if you actually want to make any power with the new turbo and go to tobz for a tune. And my opinion get rid of that tru boost and get a MBC or go ECU controlled boost lol.

 

for ease of install, more reliability and more power, choose a stock frame turbo from above and get the support mods you'll need to make the setup work. You'll need a tune no matter what you do, so make sure you have one done right.

My vote is almost always a FP Black, Red then Green HTA73, in that order, depending on what kind of setup you're looking for. You can make 500whp with the FP Black on pump gas, with the correct setup.

 

More reliability and more power? Maybe, more power under the curve, more tapering, less overall power and a fun street car. You will not get more power with a Black compared to a 6262, hta86 or even the hta82. Then you get into the ease of upgrading turbos to something bigger.... The black is the largest and say you want 700hp one day, the black might be able to do that but for how long? A BB turbo will last way longer and is more reliable than the stock framed turbos.

Please try not to mislead people. He already has 75% of a kit and to get a black it is 1900+s/h, port the exhaust mani, new LICP because the one he has isn't right for it, new o2 housing, port the turbo...

 

Find a good tuner first and ask him. Some tuners like the FP turbos, some like the BBKs, etc.

 

batty200: FYI, this is the part of the starter thread that I was responding to. I just don't feel that the T3/T4, is much an upgrade. Granted, this is my own personal point of view. Let me remind you that on this forum everyone is entitled to express his, or her point of view as long as they do so in a well educated manner and within the bounds of reason
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First off, he doesn't have a 6262, HTA86 or even the HTA82. I wasn't comparing the FP Black to every other turbo under the sun....lol. If you're going to use this backwards logic, why not throw the GT42R in there? haha. I was comparing the FP Black to what HE ALREADY HAS! Also, if you think PTE is dependable, you obviously have not spent a lot of time with their turbos or you work for them. lol. As a DYNO TUNER, i saw tons of PTE turbos fail on several different platforms. I put them in the same catagory with Turbonetics.

You should really be careful about who you try to call out. I will NEVER mislead anybody, my tuning track record proves this. I didn't just tune EVO's either. I have tuned just about every platform out there.

The FP Black makes power all the way to 8,000rpm on my setup. I don't rev higher, but i bet it would make power even further. I don't have boost taper issues either. The Black does not have these issues.

The BB reliability theory is crap too, btw. If you properly take care of your journal bearing turbo and don't over-spin it(by running higher boost than the turbo is rated for) it will last a long time. I have seen BB turbos fail after two dyno pulls....While that is highly uncommon, it can happen regardless.

IMHO, the FP Black is the perfect streetable turbo and should offer great reliability if properly tuned and taken care of. There are deffinate advantages to keeping with the stock frame setup.

 

You sir, are correct. Don't worry about what the other idiots on here say. Talk about misleading people. I would rather run a ported stock IX turbo than a PTE t3/t4.

To the OP, please don't be offended by this, i'm just trying to shoot you in the right direction. Please be careful with some of the info people will feed you on here. 75% of it is crap and the other 25% is hard to find.

You could continue to use your setup, but at least upgrade the turbo. The PTE T3/T4 is hardly a great turbo. Unfortunately, it's old technology.

 

What about upgrading later??? The PTE turbos are about 1k less than the Black all together. The black is more streetable but it will not make more power than a 6262, hta86 or 82. I don't care what he has but IF he wants to upgrade he can, how big can you go with stock frame turbos??? Like one of the many other treads that have been put up here, here is a quote from a vendor on here and his opinion about this question....

The question really comes down to do you have supporting mods? If you don't have an upgraded downpipe, o2 housing, lower pipe, possible manifold, intake, etc. The black is going to turn out to be an expensive upgrade. Since your an 8, you will also need to buy the 9 install kit which costs another $200-$250.00 depending on the options.

After adding the costs up you are pretty close to a turbo kit. I think the turbo kit is a better option as far as upgrades go. The turbo kit gives you the ability to make the same power at lower boost levels. The problem with the stock frame turbo is you have to run 30-40 psi to make the power you see posted by some of the vendors. You will also need to have a built motor.

The difference between a stock frame turbo and T3 frame turbo is night and day difference on the top end. The T3 frame turbo will pull all the way past red line where the stock frame will make peak power and start to taper towards the end.

It's all about goals though, if your looking for a mild setup the bolt on may get you where you need to be, but if you want flexibility I think we can build you a T3 kit that fits your needs

Remember the FP bolt on turbos are all Journal bearing, so when comparing it to a turbo kit make sure it's journal bearing vs journal bearing My money is on the PT5857 turbo kit in journal bearing form.

Any other questions, let me know!

thanks,

Michael

....Plus he is in Denver and the air isn't that great up here and a stock framed turbo will fall off and won't be as effecient up here.

I get it that you like the stock framed turbos, a lot of people have success with them, I thought about it and I have a Red. I say buy a better turbo and if he has all of those parts he should go to Tobz and have him finish it up for him... And he wasn't asking if he should buy a black or compare this to that he wanted to know how to "finish" upgrading the kit that he has started piecing together already...