x2

 

They are a great cam, not my choice of cams but great cam. Possibly the best for a normal person looking for serious power... The ported intake mani and exhaust mani has shown to be the best option on stock framed turbo up to about 550 on a MD and won't cost you 1000 bucks like a tubular mani will. I had a Megan racing Ex Mani and took it off and gained 400rpms or more in spool. I talked for hours and did a lot of research and chose the BR BF272 cams for over all power and minimal low end loss. It came with a downside, it is hard to get to idle right if you haven't done it before and pulling off the gas and on the clutch in corners or stopping it might stall. I could live with that, some can't.

These are my mods and I would have been happy with them in Denver if it wasn't so short lived, I love that place. BR ported intake/exhaust mani, BR TBE exhaust, BR Race core FMIC, PTE 1200cc injectors, BR double pumper, BR BF 272 cams, FP Red turbo, ported o2 housing, modified stock ix bov, ferrea dual valve springs and ti retainers. I am a firm supporter of Buschur Racing and AWDmotorsports and will not buy from anyone else.

I changed a lot of parts, perrin fmic, gsc 280 cams, these are old and made my turbo laggier 4k spool up, injen ic pipes and intake, GFB Bov, which is garbage imo and other things just wasting money.

You should ask someone with a FP red to take you for a ride, hint hint nudge nudge dambikeracer, and see if you like it. He is a cool guy but I wasn't able to meet up with him when I was there...

 

Thank you.

People don't like change and will bash anything. This particular t3/t4 is old news and a pos but the new stuff is good. At least some people are willing to give opinions other than, run what I have because it is the best.... I just don't know why someone would pay 2500+ for a limited stock framed turbo that might want more out of it later. I did this and if I would have done it right the first time the only extra money I would have spent is upgrading the gt35 to a hta gt3586.

 

The problem with the stock frame turbo here in Denver, is when the turbo falls off. My Red starts to really build boost around 4600 RPM, it hits full boost around 65-6800 RPM, it holds to about 7700 RPM. I maxed the Turbo out with my current setup around 470WHP & 413WTQ. I am now upgrading to a T3 setup with 6262 or 6765.

Mario, with the 2.3L on the Black, is not shifting past 7k. I want to wrap it out to 9k!!! There is only so far you can go on the stock frame setup and you don't have any options above the Black. The highest HP here in Denver on the Red is just over 500WHP and the Black was at 601WHP @ 36 PSI.

If you have a T3 setup, use it! Get a better turbo like a 6262 or 6765 or the HTA3582 or 3586. If you dont like the Mainfold, sell the whole thing and start over! But if you going to start over, I would look at TFab (that's what I'm upgrading to) http://tab-fabrication.com/Gallery/P...l_35r_Kit.html or ETS or AWD Motorsports or Buschur and even AMS.

If you don't want to spend a lot of money, put the kit on and take it to BDM Performance Exhaust for the DP and any other exhause needs that you have. Tell them Dennis with the White Evo sent you.

 

Thanks for your help.. I will be doing some real searching . I know that the guys in Carz custom deal with a lot of precision turbo's so i will be giving them a call also.

 

I'm really considering just selling the turbo and maximing the stock. I realize that I won't get near my goals but since I'm planning on getting a whole new engine by next year anyways.... Any opinions on this?

 

If that is what you are considering, get the kelford cams, do a ported intake and exhaust mani, injectors, a better intercooler, better piping, and go to tobz for an e85 tune. I know you go to carz and I heard they were pretty good but everyone I talked to said tobz is where to go. You also might want to get a iX turbo because it flows better than the stock viii but the HP difference will be around 10-25... I didn't notice a huge difference switching from the viii to the ix. You can get low 12's or high 11's with the stock turbo with a good driver.

 

Your jacking your own thread! You have a lot of research to do! I have been looking into builders and kits for my motor build for over a year. If you are going to have a local Evo tuner build it, it's going to be Tobz or Lucas. If your not looking to have a local builder build your engine, there are tons of options! Most people like Buschur, as do I. I have changed my mind again and again. I think I have made up my mind on the GSC 2.2L 4g63 build. At this point, I am going to go with the 6262 or 6765 turbo. But who knows, I may change my mind again.

For now, I will be running low boost on either turbo to keep the HP around 500 till I build my motor. One thing I would have done differently is, starting with a T3 platform rather then staying with the stock appearing turbo. And needing to buy everything twice. Lessoned learned. PM or email me some pics of your setup, I may have a buyer for it if your really going to sell it. Also are you on www.coloradoevo.com?

 

Ya i tried calling tobz today, but it went to a vmail. So I will make my final decision tomorrow when i take my car in to Carz, along with my setup. If it seems like it's not worth my time then I will just sell this setup and go the other route. I will definately be ordering kelfords soon. I was thinking I should I port the stock Intake and Exhaust mani.

 

Call him again, if he don't answer, leave a message! Before you take your car back to CarZ, you should check out Tobz shop and talk to him about it too. If you are you are going to get the Black, Tobz has one in stock and I have a Full-Race Manifold I am looking to sale because I am going BIG for $500. Let me know if you might be interested?!?

 

+1 I learned my lesson also. Save your pennies, buy a wb o2 sensor, get a mild tune and have a high 13 second Evo, get beat by some cars and then bust out the t3 kit and built engine. You might also want to look at what clutch you are going to get. For the 600hp 500tq range there are two clutches I would recommend, Exedy triple and QM twin with the mod on the old and hope the new QM twin is incorporated like they say they are. I spent money on a ACT hoping I was a lucky one that didn't get the high rpm lock out and I wasn't lucky. Build your car around the clutch not the other way around.

I have looked into the 2.0, 2.1, 2.3. and 2.4 from BR, talked to David, Jarrod and Mike@awd about it and decided a 2.0 is the only way to go unless you have holes in your good block.

And most of all, do a lot of research. There is plenty here and on another site provided by Buschur Racing.

 

I guess that I should clarify. I really donīt know much about T3/T4 turbos. I have never run one either. I was just recalling the older days when Honda 1600īs were being equipped with what were called T3/T4's.

I caused quite a ruckus with my ill thought comment. Maybe the newer generation of T3/T4 turbos are better than those old things that had relatively small, restrictive turbine housings and larger slower compressors.

I really didnīt know that there are now much newer and better turbos for Evos that are configured with T3 hotsides. Like I said, I was just going on an old vague negative impression. Probably, I should have kept my mouth shut.

Part of my ignorance comes from the fact that I have a stock engined Evo and have focused mostly on reading about the stock framed turbos. Basically, for now that is all that I can afford.

Of course, if I lived in a perfect world, then I would have a built stroker, probably a 2.3 with at least a TS 3586 on it. I guess that Iīll never get there though. Sorry, if my uninformed comment about the T3/T4 turbos caused a stir. I was just remembering back years ago. As I said before, I never liked those early T3/T4 setups on the Hondas....but, that was way back then. Currently, at my age, yesterday seems like today.


EDIT: Also I was concerned about the possibly dubious quality of the unknown header that the OP had acquired. I have been around turbos a long time and wouldnīt run anything tubular on my own personal Evo that was not legitimate ETS, Shearer, Buschur, AMS, or Full Race. So, basically, I was refering to the OPīs mystery header when I stated that it might be best to avoid possible headaches later and go with a stock manifold and a stock looking turbo. I never meant to start a war. Sorry guys!