Your pics mostly prove what you are saying, but in no way does it prove me wrong. Like I said, you can go to the respective web sites and read the exact same data and the nos/holley site has the diagrams. It also states that the that the nozzled on a dry kit should be positioned 6-8 inches away from the throttle body. In an f-bady platform I guess that would put the nozzles in the airbox....It also(pics) doesn't show the fuel rails to see if has been altered.

"tricking" the computer usually means lengthening the injector puslewidth but I gues it could also mean what I stated above (taking the sensor out of it's range and dumping fuel as a result). Nitrous oxide is around -127deg and I assure you the maf wasn't intended to measure that temp.

I certainly haven't seen a nitrous set up like that but I have only seen direct port kits on f-bodys. It still doesn't make my post wrong and part of the qoute you use proves me right. I will add a link to the nos/holley page for you that shows the diagram since it didn't transfer with the text.

 

http://www.holley.com/hioctn/techser.../nostech1.html

I guess you can put you literary sack back in you skirt. Damn you sound like my brother....

 

so........sort of back to the original question, which would you use for a daily driver??? co2 or no2? man theres a lot of hostility on this post..........lol.

 

David Buschur did some dyno tests with the N-tercooler using CO2 and N2O (I'd link it, but the site seems to be down currently). His results showed no gains with CO2 and n2o gains to be from ingesting through the filter. If his tests are accurate, then wouldn't it be more efficient & effective to use a nozzle instead of misting throughout the entire engine bay, or just increase the size of your intercooler? Maybe it's not all that harmful, but the amount of n2o ingested wouldn't likely be consistent...that and the amount wasted.

 

Well, if what I'm saying directly conflicts with what you're saying (I think we can all agree that it does) and I have proved myself "mostly" right, then it seems to me that I've "mostly" proved you wrong.


What data? This is a SALES ad you dumb****! This is as much a "technical description" as is the side of a box of that "Slick 50" ****.

Aside from that, you say this in nearly every post. Can't you come up with something more original? What kills me is that I have specifically addressed the discrepencies between my argument and yours, but your only answer is "you can read it, they said it." **** dude, could you PLEASE come up with a better cop-out?


So? What if it said purple elephants were flying around ****ting bags of money? You'd probably believe that too. The point is that it probably DOES work well to have the nozzle there, but it can be much further away (I've seen as much as 2 feet) and still work just fine.


Not really, that would be "out of range" per your almighty Holley web page.


I'm glad you said this... tell me, WHAT THE **** WOULD BE ALTERED ON A DRY KIT?

More important is the compucar bottle in a bag kit. No ****ing with fuel lines whatsoever, you just stick the juice to the MAF and hit the button when you're ready.




ok, wait... how are "lengthening the pulsewidth" and "dumping fuel" any different? Man, how DID you get such a ****ed up misunderstanding of fuel injection and nitrous?

I've been ****ing with fuel injection for 11 years, I've competed in sponsored fuel injection diagnostic challenges (ranked 13th in CA), I'm Ford trained and certified, have worked at several dealerships, installed blowers and nitrous kits, built motors, tuned with custom software, built so many cars I can't remember them all and have dealt with some of the stupidest and some of the most amazingly intelligent people along the way, but I have NEVER come across as big a non-point-having assclown such as yourself; It's the mis-information that kills me. You spout this **** like you know what you're talking about, but you know next to nothing. I don't know everything, but I only speak on topics that I have well-founded knowledge of.



If it is that cold when it comes out, it's far warmer by the time it hits the MAF filament. I'm sure that if you got too close it would **** **** up, but that's why you put it at a safe distance when installing.

Even at a super low temp, it doesn't mean the MAF voltage or frequency is out of range, by any means. The low end of the MAF curve on my Camaro is plotted to zero, for instance. Idling the car down to 400 RPM reads 2500 on the MAF frequency.

On the high end, I can't get it to break 7600, but the factory map goes up to 12k. I don't have any datalogs of juice hitting the MAF to absolutely prove my point, but I do have a lot more backing my case than you have yours.


Funny, I own one and have only seen wet & dry kits, but whatever.

This is good. You're admitting that there are things out there that you have yet to see and are different than what you expected. You may one day realize that what I'm saying is not only possible, but it's working and functioning (quite well) on countless mustangs, camaros, and pretty much anything with a Mass-Air Meter.


Maybe not ALL wrong but that's NOT THE POINT... I mean ****, you've got it right that nitrous does go into the engine, you just have it all ****ed up thinking that MAF meters aren't a good way to measure it. It's not just A way to measure it, it's (IMO) the BEST way.

I'm also saying (and I haven't seen any sign of you stepping up to the challenge) that despite that article, I say that it's impossible (if not, impractical and/or unsafe) to use nitrous pressure to boost fuel pressure.



Damn dude, you suck. You post a link to the same ****pile article you copied from before. Pathetic.



Maybe so, but I'm sure he's as frustrated with your dumb *** as I am. I'll stop with the sack comments, no need to get even more distasteful.

Seriously, I dare you to answer to the technical challenges I've mentioned.

If you don't, peace out. I'm done arguing with stupidity. I think any reasonable person can read both our posts and see which person is more credible based on who brings the real world tech and who brings regurgitated sales-brochure material. If I can save one person a few bucks by challenging posted stupidity, I feel better.

 

Turbocake, what’s wrong? You haven’t slated me at all. You haven’t called me stupid, or had a go about my English. Why thank you, I take it you liked my answers (or you got to pissed off at the other guy to even start with my ****!! Hehe). But seriously, to the other guy, these threads are designed for you to put your info/opinion on and people to give theirs. Don’t keep saying the same **** over and over again because the thread will end up an arguing mach between the two of you and no one else will bother with it.

Erico BR what is your current set up? Do you have throttle bodies or are you running a plenum? What do you expect the N2O cooler to cost? In the UK a throttle body kit is around £1,000 (or $1,700) and on a otherwise standard motor (Ford Zetec for example) you would see around 170 to 180 bhp. I was thinking of a similar system for a turbo’d engine, but instead of the 2 meters of pipe I would use a small charge cooler or heater metrics. The only problem with your system is I can’t see you getting much gain from it. The same setup on a turbo’d/supercharged motor I could see the benefits.

 

How about this as a little more evidence to the fact that the maf/mas cannot compensate correctly for the nitrous injested into the engine. Why don't you look at the dyno charts posted of the comparisons before/after the nitrous sprayer. If you notice the af ratio that is attached to them, the ratio is always significantly leaner with the sprayer on. That tells me the mas isn't measuring it effectively right there. You can also got to the srtforums and find the thread on nx intercooler sprayers and it will show you the same thing. The af ratio went from med 11s to like 13:1 with no other changes besides the sprayer. if you don't believe the tech info on the holley site then I suggest you e-mail them and tell them they are wrong.

 

sorry man, just been hella busy and this other guy is just too far off the charts...



its a pity to spend so much time and energy dealing with one dumbass, but it's even more of a pity to have this dumbass affecting the pocketbooks and knowledge base of others.

sorta like the middle east right now. it sucks to be over there and having our bravest die, but that whole region is just one cesspool of hate and to let it spread would be worse than the relatively few we'll lose doing what we're doing.



what proof? where? all i see is a lot more of your same old ****.


After reading this paragraph, I most directly relate to Simon-The-Meanie-Head from American Idol, except that your performance isn't your singing... it's you trying to be/sound knowledgeable and correct.

It's not just bad, it's unbelievably pathetic; Yet, amidst your efforts, you've been clouded by the lust of success (just like the idiots we all laugh at on TV when their tryouts are horrible) and have somehow arrived at the conclusion that you really are great. (or in your case, RIGHT). You keep singing (typing) because your little cracker-brain (sorry, gotta toss in some chef for fun) is stuck in the vice of denial. Just like the idiots who denounce Simon, you think I'm the idiot. (Whoa, I actually started to LOL... heh.)

I'm sitting back in my chair contemplating whether or not to even point out how wrong you are... It's just THAT bad.

"You get 3 A's: AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL."

It's the worst argument I've ever faced because you're not only wrong in what you believe, you can't even argue your points right. You ignore the valid points and displayed proof that my arguments are more correct, then respond with empty claims and act as if "it's over there, you find it" serves as proof. If you're reading and viewing all this proof, why not link us to it? Why not display the graphs RIGHT HERE? You don't even begin to give directions to where this **** is. My GOD man! Half the time I want to pretend I'm you and argue your side for you (even though I would be wrong, I would be far closer to sounding right).


Listen, I don't care anymore ok? I did my part. I'm not posting on this any more. I tried to save the world some grief, but your septic-size batch of diarrhea stupid-poo is too ****ty for my truth-mop. Let the floodgates open... seas of foamy stupid-poo for all!

 

anyone use this intercooler chiller kit?

 

uhh... what kit?

 

I use the NX N-Tercooler. It gained me 48 hp at the wheels -- see below. A/F ratio barely changed, so I do NOT believe this gain came from injested nitrous, but I did have N2O in the tank, so it's certainly possible the car breathed some in. Regardless, it made great power, as advertised.



--Dan
Mach V
MachEVO.com

 

perhaps someone should do a test on the temp of the air charge stock, with water, and with N2O/CO2 sprayed on the intercooler to show how much these will cool the charge... I'll personally run this kit on my car, to me, it makes great sense and Dan's sheet proves it foresay... I think it'd be especially beneficial for those that run long days at the tracks since it'd cool down the intercooler fast enough for the next run better than air or water can... Cooler air charge = denser air = more power usually... It all makes sense on paper to me, but to use a quote of mine, communism makes sense on paper, but when executed...... anyways, Dan's dyno shows results regardless...

 

Thank you for answering the question correctly with a dyno.

I have been flammed by the usual off topic trolls about trying to cool the intercooler to gain HP. They tell me it is nickle and dime HP because I want to add ice or rubbing alcohol into the watersprayer for the intercooler in order to gain some HP.

Many people do not understand and they think the kit adds nitros into the intake from the intercooler.....

FACTS ARE:
A colder intercooler makes more HP.

This kit cools the intercooler using co2. Cooling the intercooler will cause you to gain HP.


Questions I have are:
Is there an easy way for the average guy to refill the bottle?
What are my options to refil the co bottle?

How many times can you spray the intercooler with 1 bottle. Please state the size of bottle

How hard is this kit to install?
How long does it tak to install?
http://www.CarPhoto.net

 

The NX kit can use nitrous or CO2. CO2 is just as cold, but is much cheaper. But at least on the dyno, some people have reported that CO2 can seriously inhibit combustion if sucked into the intake. N2O doesn't have that drawback. It may depend on your intake setup. A stock type of intake will really have no chance of inhaling the gas. An open element filter is more likely to. With the car on the road, at speed, I doubt much gas will find its way into the intake in any case.

You can refill it at a speed shop with a nitrous setup, or you can fill it at a gas supply store. Check your yellow pages. Nitrous runs $4 to $5 a pound. I think CO2 is more like $0.50 a pound.

I got two full dyno runs and a little more out of the bottle. We sell the kit with a ten-pound bottle, which is what's in my car. It's also available with 5- or 15-pound bottles.

It's not hard, but it takes some time. You have to mount the bottle, run the gas lines, mount the spray fixture, run the wiring, hook up the full-throttle switch, and install the arming switch and activation buttons. Figure maybe 6-8 hours. Less if you're an experienced mechanic.

--Dan
Mach V
MachEVO.com

 

dan do you know anywhere that I can get only the fixture from I just need that being as I have a dry kit already and all the parts.... (I also have a NX wet kit if anyone wants to buy)

-non