Is anyone else concerned about 600hp Evos on the street? Isn't our insurance bad enough? Jeez - don't get me wrong, I think it's great people are modding the hell out of the Evo, but I am just concerned about all that power on the street. So you don't think I'm just down on Evo owners, it's the same for these monster Vipers and Vettes you hear about. How many times do you hear about the owners wrapping them around a tree or worse? If this was to be a track car, I would be whole-heartedly in support. I don't know your driving ability, but most of us think we're a lot better drivers than we really are. Be careful out there...

BTW, making that much reliable HP will cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... Is it worth it just to get into a car mag? For that much money, you could publish an issue just about your car.

 

AMS turbo kit is not making 600hp; even at very high boost and 11x octane just yet. It needs headwork and inlet manifold among other things and then I expect it to hit that. The AMS setup is nothing unique (although not to take anything away from it); it's simply a very well sorted/matched turbo with good supporting systems. Regardless, we are talking about pump gas. If you are asking if 600 hp EVO's are possible I would say: no sweat. That's easy. 600 hp reliable pump gas 2.0 EVO is not. The EVO in even moderately modified form (big turbo, etc) is getting into a state where power output is sharply affected by octane.

Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com

 

On pump gas we make about 430 whp with no sweat

Of course we have out fully built 2.0 race block, a stage 5 head port and ferrea valves with cams - AND the dyno flash

We can easily make 550 whp with a small shot of nos and 100 octane race fuel

The issue for us is we build the cars to last a long time - mine is a daily driver that pulls down and easy 460 to the wheels on unleaded 100 ocatne

 

Yep, there again; octane. Good point Al; you can get up there in power but not quite there. Add that extra bit of octane and it definitely makes a big difference.

Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com

 

that set up is good and have supported over 560hp , i just didnt know of top of my head the turbo #.
I plan in the future ti run there GT35 turbo set up that you are able to run on a stock motor with bigger injectors i beleive 770CC and AEMS management system that will hold over 450 with no problems ...

 

Anyone esle tired about hearing about race gas? I am so sick of it. People who want to spend $5 per gallon are irrational. for a lot less money, a Z06 corvett can be made to blow an EVO out of the water on pump gas. 99% of people are using pump gas, so why do vendors and companies represent their race gas figures? No one cares. Sure it is nice bragging rights, but when you are using spray, and 100+ octane, can you really consider any car a daily driver? What is that, like 4 or 5 0-100 sprints and then you need to go to the shop to buy more N2O? Sorry to vent, but it is really getting to me. I just wish people would admit one fact, that most of the high priced turbos and mods available for the EVO will never really be able to deliver their potential on pump gas... PERIOD. I think that if people can get close to 375 whp on the stock turbo, ask yourself is it really worth it to get the extra 75 hp for another $6,000 dollars? I really don't know.

Again sorry to vent, but I just wish a little more realism and honesty ran through these boards. Say waht you want, but that is one reason I like hearing from SHIV, becasue his dyno gives what I feel are the lowest dyno numbers, but I also feel that there is the least amount of crap nonsense from him too. To me that is preceless.

 

100 octane does wonders , i can imagine running c-16 or even c-12 on a fully built 2.0l Evo . Or even mixing half and half c-12 w/ 100 .

 

6k for 75hp gain is not that bad , especially went you are trying to achieve every hp out of the motor. Its been worse went you spend more then that on even n/a application and your results are less then a 40hp gain. The way the Evo responds to mods is amazing and gains are huge . Specially went you start modifing it. Almost in any car IMO went you are trying to get the most you can , the very last hp that you are trying to sqeez out of it is the one that cost the most...

 

On a 1G Talon running 21psi on a Big16g that was very well tuned still expierenced slight knock even on 94 octane. Same car, same tune, and 101 was dumped in. Knock dissapeared across the board on the logger and factory ecu advanced timing fully. I forgot the link to this comparison... but was real cool.. ill do a google and post it..

 

Z06 beat the crap out of an EVO? Sure, on a racetrack where it can get traction. While you're there, you may as well put higher octane in. Z06 cost about $20k more. I am sure you can play the money games like everyone else. Z06's are made fast with TT kits or NOS. Where do you think it's going to make cheap, streetable power without some sort of power adder. Turbo kits are $50k for vettes. NOS is like high octane. We can use propane to get 100 octane just like vettes use NOS. There are many different ways to make it work. ALL cars get a bit unreasonable for some when high power figures start to be made. No traction, expensive limited NOS refills, high octane, etc.

Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com

 

turbo kits are nowhere near $50k for C5 vettes.... Supercharger and turbocharger kits start under $7000, the crazy twin turbo ligenfelter kit is under $20k, http://www.lingenfelter.com/packagesyls1.aspand the really, really insane kit is under $50, but not by much! http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac725ttls1y.asp

 

I think you all understand my point. Who cares about NOS and race gas. It makes no sense. Also, anyone who wants to spend $6000 for 75 hp is paying $80 per hp. That is alot of money, when you consider the many other options out there. Sure a 3037 tubo is nice, and will deliver huge amounts of power, but where are you going to keep getting 100+ octane gas? I know of no where in Austin to get it. I am not saying that it isn't here, but even if it is, it is a hassle to get. It justs seems to me that the EVO is a great car. In fact it is greater than great. However, performance expectations must be kept reasonable. I hate when certain people on this board put up dyno graphs that show 400+ WHP only to find out that it was done with NOS, Intercooler chillers, C116 (which can/does do damage to O2 sensors) and other "secret" mods. it just seems for me to take the fun out of having a serious street machine. Just my .02 I understand that this will anger some people, but the large majority just like hearing that there are people out there that have increadibly fast street cars, NOT super fast race cars. I think that anyone using race gas on the streets and calling thier ride an "everyday" car, is just misrepresenting themselves.

I will get off my soapbox now.....

 

The point is having super car like performance, handling and breaking in a AWD car which can seat 4 and has adecent sized trunk !

People like me dont want a z-06 vette or a viper

we DO want a daily driver 11 second evo though

When the pump gas costs 220 a gallon for 92 octane - thats the price here in CT - - $5.00 a gallon for VP unleaded 105 octane is not so much of a expense

 

Al you luck SOB. I have to pay $5.25 for Trick 101. 76 sells it at the pump... I never looked how much the higher octane leaded **** is..

 

If you buy it by the 55 gal drum its only 4.00 and change per gallon

I only run race fuel all the time

Why take a chance ? When you run big power - one bad load of gas from a cheating dealer and you can hyave big troubles