People think the tune is worth less than the hard parts for some retarded reason. The fact is, a tune 99% of the time will yield the highest dollar-to-hp gain than any other mod. I see it all the time, such a sad fact.

 

So with that $750 do you GUARANTEE that tune, meaning if the engine lets go you cover it?

 

too much nossssss!!!!!!! i need two of em' and harry i need by tonite!!!! lmao

 

That sucks! Couldn't agree with you more on the first sentence

 

Id rather live in a house the a carpenter built then some random guy that got a C in woodshop.

That's piece of mind that my not be guaranteed but definitely worth noting.

 

No if the engine LETS GO we do not cover it.. If the motor fails due to our tuning by melting pistons and cracking them certainly ill do this job for FREE..

However in 3 years not 1 AEM tuned car has this happened or stock ecu.. Nor have I installed 1 meth kit in 3 years.. There are 2 things i dont worry about AT ALL.. Crispeed and Dereks tuning.. If I didnt consider them both 1 of the best they wouldnt be here tuning.. The end of the day my shop name is on the outside of the building..

Mike

 

What peace of mind. No bashing of anyone but if a tuner is blaming another tuner have proof of why the engine let go and if he is going to charge more then back it up.

 

This is a tuning issue PERIOD.. The map in the car is ridiculous and coupled with meth 5x more ridiculous.. I feel bad for this particular customer.. This customer did not try to save 1.00 actually.. This customer has actually been unknowingly screwed many times over and made the drive over to us from quite a distance in FL to finally have the car assembled and tuned properly.. This story is to help educate others thats all..

Mike

 

If you don't get piece of mind from having a professional do a job for you over someone clearly not qualified then if you ever need surgery of any kind Ill hook you up with a hell of a deal.

 

Thanks Mike, I see more cars blown from AEM and Meth then I like. I will stick to Pump or E85 if it ever becomes readily available.

 

98% of the motors we replace had meth on them.. Coincidence i am told by most.. We dont install it and we dont promote it..

Mint condition barely modded evo X has the motor out here for a Buschur motor.. had meth and the cyl furthest from the nozzle apparently was also the leanest and lowest compression.. Coincidence..

Mike

 

nvm...

 

As both a mechanic and a tuner, this is is timing and/or lean. Cracked ring lands are detonation induced in most cases and this is typically the result of too much timing promoting either cylinder pressure (in the absence of knock) at a very high level or straight det.

Proof is in the pudding as they say. Mikes price is the same as our price for an initial AEM tune for most vehicles. We start at 500 and most of the time, correcting wiring errors, exisiting tuning issues, making sure the drivability is spot on we end up 7-800 for a tune.

 

Thanks for chiming in as I always appreciate your insight.. Quite honestly the 750 is light when 99.9% of the time we are doing more than tuning.. We are fixing boost leaks, wiring issues, install errors, bad fuel, you name it we see it.. The 750 also includes dyno time and Crispeed has NEVER done a full proper tune on an Evo in under 5hrs.. So i would say its a bargain.. We get 1k for a Haltech tune usually..

Just a note also, there are tuners that get 10k a tune as well.. Usually not in our smaller scale line of work but its not abnormal for a guy to pay 5-10k for a tune on a 250k full chassis car build..

Crispeed sees guys from all over the country to tune their rotary and they spend 5k on the trip easily w/ tune and dyno time..

Mike

 

GIAC is what $2k for a basemap flash for a 996? Most rally stuff is 1000 to "freshen" the tune. Talk to John Reed about Viper and Supra stuff...WOW, then add the turbo Gallardos.

Our tunes are like yours Mike, its not just the tune. Its starting in on a tune, being assured its 100% good to go (never is), figuring out whats wrong, fixing it, then moving on to the next thing. The only 500 dollar tunes I have ever really seen are ones where we did a 20k build and we discount it as a courtesy. It also happens that we know nothing is F'd and we can tune it right away first go.

The way I look at is 1000 for a tune or 5500+ for a motor...whats your budget really? If doing a motor is in the cards and you dont like making money off your old parts then cool...$250 tune it is. Or you have the 5500 motor and you want to protect the investment. I'd rather pay 6500 than 5500 twice and then add the 1000 dollar tune.