I think you have to undestand that A LOT(maybe even a majority) of Evo owners are people that grew up running modified Honda's, and when it was time to move to RWD/AWD from their ITR or swapped Civic, Honda didn't have anything to offer besides an underpowered and overpriced S2K, or an aging and discontinued pseudo-supercar that had very little aftermarket support. As most were tuners, and there was/is plenty of aftermarket support for the Evo, I think the decision was pretty easy to transition to the Evo compared to other options.

 

Fair enough....but having said that your saying that these people moved from Honda to Mitsu. That speaks volumes. My first car was a 94 TSI, I'm a mitsu guy thru and thru. 3 out of 4 cars Iv owned have been mitsus and the one VW I bought was the worst experience I have ever had with a car.

 

I am confused why we have to make this partition. Why can't people respect the engineering talents of both companies for what they are? This is a mitsubishi focused site, there is no reason we can't respect the good and bad of other cars. You would be nuts if you think the evo isn't without faults.

Oh, and this isn't an open forum. Your opinions can be expressed within the rules that this private company run website deems allowable.

 

It's not that I dont respect the engineering, its that I dont agree with doing a K swap on an Evo...am I not allowed to disagree? That was all I initially said and people got all bent outta shape like this was a Honda forum.

The Mitsu does have faults but The GVR-4 the 1g and 2g DSMs and the Evo. Comapred to the CRX...civic I mean come on.

And lastly sorry Mr Turco I forgot Highboost is the open forum, I got confused but I dont think disagreeing with a post is against the rules. But if Im wrng and Im not allowed to have an opinion or disagree with a post let me know and I wont do it again.

 

I am referring you not agreeing with the swap, i am commenting on your "Mitsu > Honda" comment. You generalized, not me.

I am sorry if you feel that way. I didn't censor your opinion, i was merely questioning why people feel they need to choose sides.

 

Competitive spirit is the corner stone of all sport including motorsport.

I spent a year in Guantanmo Bay, bunch of Marines and Sailors. There would be a fight between sister branches regularly. It was a sibling rivalry, Im not saying its exactly the same but there is nothing bad about repping your camp and truly being passionate about the car you drive.

Maybe when you get your vette youll understand what I mean.

 

Your passion is fine, but it does not contribute to this thread. So please bring it elsewhere.

 

Honda isn't unfamiliar with performance built turbo'd engines, as they were building turbo engines in F1 as far back as 1983......

http://www.allf1.info/engines/honda.php

 

i dont think people are hating on the honda motors, the problem is they have nothing to put them in. a civic with slicks on the front is hardly an evo replacement.

 

Again, please keep the discussion on point.

 

I dont get how oil starvation could be the problem when a 2.0 can use the same oil pump and turn 10k.

Isnt honda one of the only companys that doesnt have a stock turbo car?

 

in 97 they had the integra type-r (itr) it had a b series motor and made 197 hp from 1.8 ltr we are all aware that the compresson makes the motor happy off boost but you will be able to run more boost on pump gas with a lower compresson ratio so y pick the higher j spec f20c when you could run the lower alot of people are already running 3mm head gaskets on s2ks and you wanna add more compression ?

i am aware of hondas racing history and what they can do with f1 cars and a large budget but as far as production cars go a boosted car is uncharted territory for them as where mistu has been doing it for awhile i dont think honda was after the evo or sti market when they designed the acura rdx you be the judge tho

 

i contacted a major Engine builder for Honda(8sec range) and i passed him this thread to get his opinion and it was this

" I didn't have time to read that whole post, but both engines can be made to rev that high with no problem. I think the bigger difference is how well the average setups carry power at that kind of rpm. The Hondas are generally built with bigger turbos and the heads flow better and have bigger cams. All that stuff adds up to something that carries power better."

Hope this helps

a couple other builds said the k24 was never limited from factory and they just rev it out to where it stops making power

 

correct they offer no turbo production car under the honda brand name they do sell a turbo suv under the acura brand name. over all this has been a great thread.

 

I wonder why the evo world, and many of the import cars, haven't seen aftermarket heads yet? The domestic market stuff is awash with head manufactures/CNC porting companies. Why sin't this the case with the Import guys?

all im thinking is if people want a head that flows massive amounts then you get a company to design one using the OEM head as a starting point. You make the ports larger, the valves bigger, a better flowing port that has less enphersis on ermissions, basically a good performance cylinder head.

Just thinking outside the box a little here.

Chris.