VERRRRY WEIRD clutch problem! engagement\driving
VERRRRY WEIRD clutch problem! engagement\driving
My roommate just picked up an evo last week, was told the clutch slipped, wasn't worried about it. Turned around and started having weird engagement issues along with sounds under load.
Right now he has a fidanza 3.2 carbon kevlar clutch kit installed from previous owner. https://www.evolutionm.net/features/article.php?id=97
So I was riding with him hear a weird noise under full boost\slowly moving from stop lights. Figured he should check his transmission mount, come to find out previous owner drilled a whole to get to the TOB.
Threw the whole we were inspecting the clutch to see what was going on with it. To our desire we found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wggpF58QWsQ
Anyone see the problem with this.
PLEASE DISCUSS.
thanks for the help in advance.
J
Right now he has a fidanza 3.2 carbon kevlar clutch kit installed from previous owner. https://www.evolutionm.net/features/article.php?id=97
So I was riding with him hear a weird noise under full boost\slowly moving from stop lights. Figured he should check his transmission mount, come to find out previous owner drilled a whole to get to the TOB.
Threw the whole we were inspecting the clutch to see what was going on with it. To our desire we found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wggpF58QWsQ
Anyone see the problem with this.
PLEASE DISCUSS.
thanks for the help in advance.
J
Last edited by simons3z; Jan 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM.
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First thing he needs to do is pull that transmission out. Second, replace that bell housing, seriously it's open to the elements. The clutch is gonna have to be replaced. Just hope the transmission isn't effed.
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From: Wiesbaden, germany
in normal circumstances there is an metal plug in the that hole of the transmission.
Its the service hole to remove the shaft of the clutch fork.
( you can see the hex Bolt 10mm in the video )
It isnt there, so the previuos owner / mech forgot to install it.
An organic clutch with many miles will always have many black deposits/debris everywhere around the Bearing and inside the clutch housing.
Common when replacing clutches on evos with high mileage. So its nothing i am worried about. And believe me, i am doing 2-3 Evo clutches a week sometimes.
Not every owner wears out the clutch within 5000 miles LOL
Its the service hole to remove the shaft of the clutch fork.
( you can see the hex Bolt 10mm in the video )
It isnt there, so the previuos owner / mech forgot to install it.
An organic clutch with many miles will always have many black deposits/debris everywhere around the Bearing and inside the clutch housing.
Common when replacing clutches on evos with high mileage. So its nothing i am worried about. And believe me, i am doing 2-3 Evo clutches a week sometimes.
Not every owner wears out the clutch within 5000 miles LOL
Last edited by german_evoVII; Jan 28, 2011 at 03:08 PM.
German_evo that hole does not look like the one underneath the transmission. It looks like it's from above. I could be wrong if the op can confirm. Either way that hole does not look like the factory one. It's not perfectly circle. I would figure out a way to close that hole but the transmission still needs to be pulled.
German_Evo thanks for the insight... unfortunately the hole DOES look like it was tapped at home and it is on the TOP of the bell housing. And the organic matter looks as if though it is covering the TOB? and its almost like the matter has two cracks or is crumbling to me?? And the thing is is the clutch started slipping when the previous owner had it, when my roommate bought the car it was hardly noticeable, then he drove it longer and it just seemed to get looser on him/slipping more periodically under small amt. of load/torque.
Here is the kicker, this "fidanza 3.2 carbon Kevlar clutch kit" was installed, by the previous owner, less then a year ago.... confirmed by the previous owner, and he had troubles right away with the car not launching...it'd start to slip and then bump it outta 2-step...needless to say he didn't know HOW to launch/epic fail at it actually. However it is not in my belief that this clutch which is rated at somewhere around +-500 ft lbs of torque created at the crank?.... should not have a PROBLEM no matter what, correctly installed.
Thanks again ahead of time for the help.
Here is the kicker, this "fidanza 3.2 carbon Kevlar clutch kit" was installed, by the previous owner, less then a year ago.... confirmed by the previous owner, and he had troubles right away with the car not launching...it'd start to slip and then bump it outta 2-step...needless to say he didn't know HOW to launch/epic fail at it actually. However it is not in my belief that this clutch which is rated at somewhere around +-500 ft lbs of torque created at the crank?.... should not have a PROBLEM no matter what, correctly installed.
Thanks again ahead of time for the help.
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From: Wiesbaden, germany
Im sorry, i was not clear with my statement.
The hole i am referring is on top of the Bellhousing.
(see attachment,red circle )
This hole is Stock, but the hole in your video looks like somebody didnt know how to remove the Metal plug( so he drilled the edges ), or used the hole to pry the TOB out.
It also looks that some parts of the Plug are still there, but hard to see in the video.
The Holes shape is normally perfect round, because the Plug is like an water Plug in the Engine block ( sorry, didnt know the name of these, sometimes call Ice plugs ) and will not "hold" in the hole by itself if the hole is messed up toomuch.
If the 2 "Ears" at the TOB are bent at the left side ( I assume you mean these) thats common when people trying to remove the TOB by too much force at the Fork from outside. Under normal operation these will slightly push the TOB to the Right when the clutch released.
But it doesnt do anything for Funktion, because its an Pull type, and the Pull part is almost not possible to be damaged.
I do not believe that these things will let the clutch fail. The real problem will sit deeper inside, Clutch disk, Flywheel or the Pressure plate.
For the Debris's, yep, the TOB is almost everytime covered by these dust.
If the clutch slips, you will have to pull it out anyway. My statement was meant as you will not have to use an new bellhousing. If the stock plug will sit firm, then applying an bit FPG and the hole problem is gone.
But pulling will have to be done to check everything.
The hole i am referring is on top of the Bellhousing.
(see attachment,red circle )
This hole is Stock, but the hole in your video looks like somebody didnt know how to remove the Metal plug( so he drilled the edges ), or used the hole to pry the TOB out.
It also looks that some parts of the Plug are still there, but hard to see in the video.
The Holes shape is normally perfect round, because the Plug is like an water Plug in the Engine block ( sorry, didnt know the name of these, sometimes call Ice plugs ) and will not "hold" in the hole by itself if the hole is messed up toomuch.
If the 2 "Ears" at the TOB are bent at the left side ( I assume you mean these) thats common when people trying to remove the TOB by too much force at the Fork from outside. Under normal operation these will slightly push the TOB to the Right when the clutch released.
But it doesnt do anything for Funktion, because its an Pull type, and the Pull part is almost not possible to be damaged.
I do not believe that these things will let the clutch fail. The real problem will sit deeper inside, Clutch disk, Flywheel or the Pressure plate.
For the Debris's, yep, the TOB is almost everytime covered by these dust.
If the clutch slips, you will have to pull it out anyway. My statement was meant as you will not have to use an new bellhousing. If the stock plug will sit firm, then applying an bit FPG and the hole problem is gone.
But pulling will have to be done to check everything.
Im sorry, i was not clear with my statement.
The hole i am referring is on top of the Bellhousing.
(see attachment,red circle )
This hole is Stock, but the hole in your video looks like somebody didnt know how to remove the Metal plug( so he drilled the edges ), or used the hole to pry the TOB out.
It also looks that some parts of the Plug are still there, but hard to see in the video.
The Holes shape is normally perfect round, because the Plug is like an water Plug in the Engine block ( sorry, didnt know the name of these, sometimes call Ice plugs ) and will not "hold" in the hole by itself if the hole is messed up toomuch.
If the 2 "Ears" at the TOB are bent at the left side ( I assume you mean these) thats common when people trying to remove the TOB by too much force at the Fork from outside. Under normal operation these will slightly push the TOB to the Right when the clutch released.
But it doesnt do anything for Funktion, because its an Pull type, and the Pull part is almost not possible to be damaged.
I do not believe that these things will let the clutch fail. The real problem will sit deeper inside, Clutch disk, Flywheel or the Pressure plate.
For the Debris's, yep, the TOB is almost everytime covered by these dust.
If the clutch slips, you will have to pull it out anyway. My statement was meant as you will not have to use an new bellhousing. If the stock plug will sit firm, then applying an bit FPG and the hole problem is gone.
But pulling will have to be done to check everything.
The hole i am referring is on top of the Bellhousing.
(see attachment,red circle )
This hole is Stock, but the hole in your video looks like somebody didnt know how to remove the Metal plug( so he drilled the edges ), or used the hole to pry the TOB out.
It also looks that some parts of the Plug are still there, but hard to see in the video.
The Holes shape is normally perfect round, because the Plug is like an water Plug in the Engine block ( sorry, didnt know the name of these, sometimes call Ice plugs ) and will not "hold" in the hole by itself if the hole is messed up toomuch.
If the 2 "Ears" at the TOB are bent at the left side ( I assume you mean these) thats common when people trying to remove the TOB by too much force at the Fork from outside. Under normal operation these will slightly push the TOB to the Right when the clutch released.
But it doesnt do anything for Funktion, because its an Pull type, and the Pull part is almost not possible to be damaged.
I do not believe that these things will let the clutch fail. The real problem will sit deeper inside, Clutch disk, Flywheel or the Pressure plate.
For the Debris's, yep, the TOB is almost everytime covered by these dust.
If the clutch slips, you will have to pull it out anyway. My statement was meant as you will not have to use an new bellhousing. If the stock plug will sit firm, then applying an bit FPG and the hole problem is gone.
But pulling will have to be done to check everything.
Much appreciated. And yess i agree it comes down to we just need to tear it apart and put a new clutch kit in ha. Whats everyone's recommendation on what they have used/like the best? He wanted to go twin disc at first, until he found out that the life of them are not much require rebuild resurface every so often wants something that will clamp and hold the power but is street friendly and launchable without burning up real fast.
I have the ACT street disc with the XHD pressure plate and im satisfied he said he wants to go with more like a 6 puck sprung hub style maybe it would be a little tougher w probably the same style pressure plate or something similer....and where we looked on ACT it seemed as the puck was cheaper then the disc?
PLEASE DISCUSS/ tell what you have had/liked
THANKS
