Heres a question for you guys and girls...

I was helping a friend do a boost leak test last night on his 06 IX. He did buy the car used and supposedly it had a red on it before it was sold. Now it is known to have a stock IX turbo. It does appear to be stock to me anyway.

When i was attaching my tester to the turbo inlet i did notice one thing though. The inlet doesn't have a barb on it like my IX turbo does or even my VIII. I could tell immediately when after cranking down the hose clamp i could still move the coupler around a little bit and then eventually pull it off. It wouldn't stay on on the turbo with more then 20psi like this. It would just blow off. This was with a T-bolt clamp too.

Anybody s stock turbo like this? Or is this a sign of a FP cold side or a BBK? It doesn't have any aftermarket badges or plates on it. Just the standard TD0...yada yada 16GC or what ever.

Thanks for any info!

Ethan

 

the non-surge ported fp turbo's that i have seen = grn, red didnt have the barb on the inlet like a oem 8/9 front cover.

i honestly cant remember if my surge cover black has a barb as well..!?!

 

Interesting. So i guess what id like to figure out is weather or not the red is still on the car. The car pulls pretty hard as it is. Even though we found a decent boost leak last night. (Bad weld on UICP)

Is there any other signs i can look for to see weather or not its a red? Like i said it doesn't have the FP name plate or the FP stamp on the cold side. That i can see anyway. Is the compressor wheel visibly different then the OEM wheel? blade count etc?

Another weird thing that I noticed is when logging the car the IDC's were 98% after peak boost. It is believed that the car has PTE 1000cc's. The scaling in the ROM is 660 or something like that. But that all depends on who dialed them in so its not too far off.

My car also has PTE1000cc's with a stock IX turbo and very similar setup to his car cams SS o2 housing etc etc. My IDC's are at most 60% when i was touching 25psi. Granted his boost was set to around 28psi spike so this will come into play for sure....but 40% for a couple of psi?

Thanks for the response Aby

 

Early REDs and GREENs dont have any FP badge or FP logo. There should be a FP stamp on the flat part where the model number is, but its usually pretty faint and hard to see.

 

thats weird :?

 

I thought so too.

I tried looking last night and i didnt see any FP stamp on the falt part of the compressor side. I looked pretty hard too. But i dont see why a stock turbo would have that barb machined off. Whats the point of doing that anyways?

 

have you thought about doing a 3rd gear pull and putting it into virtual dyno? that might could help determine if its a stock turbo or fp one, also checking out the timing/fuel maps could help. just a thought

 

Yea thats different I have never seen that before?

 

You sure its not an Ebay housing?

 

Ive pasted a log below. The reason i was even questioning weather or not it was a green or red was because of the logs. Look at the load 320? And the IDC's of 98% on PTE1000cc's? This is at about 28psi btw.

Ive also attached a VDR of a different log that didnt have a shift in it. Its certainly up there in power and this was with a boost leak that we found the other night. And a weird turbo sputtering issue.... It certainly feels fast but didnt seem a whole lot different then may car which is coming in around 400hp and 390tq.... I have almost same setup with stock fmic and stock IX turbo....Its all about the area under the curve though so i guess thats what i could be feeling as far as difference.

TPS	RPM	TimingAdv	KnockSum	KnockVoltage	LoadCalc	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle	AFRMAP
97.64705882	3937.5	19	0	1.053	191.4115287	9.472	31.32666667	11.68695652
100	4000	16	0	1.2285	211.1339756	10.496	35.26	11.33493976
100	4062.5	13	0	0.975	226.3415066	11.52	39.3	11.06823529
100	4125	13	0	1.0335	244.7826898	12.544	43.44666667	11.00350877
100	4187.5	11	0	1.014	266.4093861	13.568	48.05333333	10.87630058
100	4281.25	9	0	0.9165	287.6847074	15.104	54.28	10.752
100	4375	8	0	1.56	308.9058839	15.104	55.06666667	10.8137931
100	4531.25	7	0	2.2815	326.4537579	17.408	64.82666667	10.752
100	4500	7	0	2.418	321.4468084	18.432	70.56	10.752
100	4625	6	2	1.8525	359.749177	18.944	74.49333333	10.87630058
100	4781.25	7	3	2.1645	352.645928	19.2	76	10.8137931
100	4843.75	7	3	1.1505	339.9236501	18.688	76.40666667	10.87630058
100	4937.5	7	3	1.872	344.9884834	18.432	76.8	10.87630058
100	5062.5	7	3	2.0865	339.9236501	18.432	78.72	10.87630058
100	5187.5	7	2	1.677	337.096556	17.92	77.93333333	10.93953488
100	5281.25	7	2	1.8135	336.9511132	17.92	79.8	10.93953488
100	5406.25	7	2	1.365	333.9438097	17.92	81.66666667	11.00350877
100	5500	7	2	0.8775	332.002276	17.664	81.88	10.93953488
100	5625	7	2	0.975	327.0534387	17.408	82.05333333	10.93953488
100	5718.75	7	2	1.3845	319.1567697	17.152	82.63333333	11.00350877
100	5906.25	8	2	0.8385	320.7398547	16.896	82.72	11.06823529
100	5937.5	8	2	1.17	320.1512391	16.896	84.04	11.06823529
100	6031.25	8	1	1.7355	320.5927008	16.64	84.5	11.06823529
100	6062.5	8	1	2.223	315.7327959	16.896	87.56	11.06823529
100	6218.75	9	0	2.3595	315.585642	16.64	86.66666667	11.06823529
100	6312.5	10	0	1.5405	307.3796399	16.384	87.04	11.13372781
100	6406.25	10	0	2.3205	305.7186782	16.128	86.52	11.06823529
100	6468.75	9	2	1.716	304.1426139	15.872	87.21333333	11.2
100	6625	9	2	1.56	304.2915197	15.872	87.21333333	11.2
100	6687.5	9	1	2.34	300.8668212	15.616	87.84	11.26706587
100	6781.25	9	1	1.8525	295.9196126	15.616	88.65333333	11.26706587
100	6875	10	0	1.5405	297.7022609	15.36	88.4	11.33493976
100	6937.5	10	0	1.9695	294.9629002	15.36	89.2	10.51173184
100	7031.25	10	0	1.5015	291.8379727	16.128	94.92	10.57078652
100	7093.75	10	0	1.677	292.2595934	16.128	95.76	10.57078652
100	7187.5	10	0	2.184	288.8190695	16.128	97.02	10.63050847
100	7250	10	0	1.443	293.628109	15.872	96.30666667	10.63050847
100	7343.75	10	0	1.3065	290.3179497	15.872	97.13333333	10.69090909
100	7406.25	10	0	1.3065	290.3179497	15.872	98.37333333	10.69090909
100	7437.5	10	0	1.677	287.1129094	15.616	98.00666667	10.752
100	7562.5	10	0	1.482	283.8710295	15.616	98.00666667	10.8137931
100	7625	11	0	1.95	280.5916713	15.104	96.36666667	10.87630058
100	7656.25	12	0	1.9695	-8.807850883	11.52	76.5	11.40363636
30.19607843	7968.75	36	0	1.6185	-9.921554084	0	0	12.62818792
26.66666667	7968.75	38	0	2.106	186.9228623	4.096	26.98666667	11.40363636
93.33333333	7625	28	0	1.3065	215.8859272	10.24	64.53333333	11.06823529
100	7718.75	17	1	2.0085	288.7890244	13.312	78.69333333	10.28196721
100	5718.75	8	0	1.833	308.6723863	17.92	89.6	10.17081081
100	6062.5	9	0	1.599	317.739326	18.176	92.77333333	10.17081081
100	6031.25	9	0	1.4235	314.7041258	18.176	92.3	10.22608696
100	6125	9	0	1.521	310.2139962	17.92	91.46666667	10.22608696
100	6156.25	9	0	1.755	314.7041258	17.92	92.4	10.22608696
100	6218.75	9	0	2.0865	310.3499536	17.664	92	10.22608696
100	6281.25	10	0	1.326	310.3499536	17.408	91.12	10.22608696
100	6312.5	10	0	1.599	307.3944889	17.408	92.02666667	10.28196721
100	6375	10	0	1.56	304.2690951	17.152	91.12	10.33846154
100	6406.25	10	0	1.4625	304.1316436	17.152	92.01333333	10.33846154
100	6468.75	10	0	1.638	306.0883506	17.152	92.46	10.39558011
100	6531.25	10	0	1.8915	305.9501398	17.152	93.8	10.39558011
100	6562.5	9	3	2.0865	305.8119289	17.152	94.24666667	10.39558011
100	6625	9	3	1.9695	301.2473774	17.152	94.69333333	10.39558011
100	6656.25	9	3	1.6575	205.0313275	16.896	93.72	10.51173184
45.88235294	6718.75	13	13	2.106	38.41157203	4.608	25.08	11.83396226

 

See how many blades are on the turbine wheel, my old Green doesn't have this barb but it has a non-stamped comp housing.

 

just by looking at the load there is no way thats a stocker, ive still got the IX turbo as well, yes awhp and cams can have an effect to it i know but im pushing 307 awhp and like 250 tq (90 octane is the highest i get and other reasons lol) and my load hits no higher then like 240, ill have to double check a wot run, but get a full mod list or as best you can and ill try not to compare apples with oranges


who tuned the car as well, jw....see a few things that indicate boost leak too (as youve mentioned lol) but your table's will tell you more about it

 

Blacksunset. Like i said we both have almost identical setups except for im running the stock FMIC and he has some aftermarket one. So I know for a fact that the turbo i put on my car is a stock IX turbo. He was told that his is a stock one but previously had a red.

I logged his car and my car on the SAME day only 20 min apart. Ran both through my VDR program with the correct parameters and his log showed 450+ for both tq and hp where my car was around 400hp and 390tq.

Im curious as to what in the logs set you off to a boost leak? It did infact have a leak for those logs.

Here is the VDR plot of his car. FP Red?

 

i never meant to offend you by all means, but from your loadcalc (shows more towards the end then anything) it goes into the negatives within a 300 rpm gain, normally wouldnt do that but it it reflects in the load thoughout as well, pull on of your wot logs and compare your load with the one above, (its very minor, but still noticed though out other portions not only in the load) but when your at 7968 your AFR is at 12 while the whole run was around 10 or so showing an improper mix (normally caused by boost leaks, minor or major and the maf trying to make the difference up by sucking less air more fuel, logging boost is another good way to tell becuase it will spike at that point) then you let off and started the run from 5k which was at a 10 afr as well and continued up to 6700 rpms and it went to 11 afr, your afr should run similar if not the same for each run and given how the load is, if its off due to a boost leak itll show a gain in afr and wont match the previous rpm's or engine load (shouldnt match completely but shouldnt be off by more then 2-4

 

he is deff putting down some good numbers,

what octane is he running and a mod list will deff help sort though some stuff as to why he has a huge power gain over you, but its possible to squeeze out 500 on the stocker on e85 maybe some high octane race gas too but one thing is for sure, check the inlet of the turbine and measure both yours and his, if there both stock then they should produce the same numbers, unless ported which is a possible for sure in this case, ill go with a ported turbine more then green or red,