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Old Jun 8, 2011, 01:28 PM
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Brian Crower springs and retainers VS. GSC Beehive Springs

Hey guys I just bought some GSC S2 cams for my VIII and I was looking for some insight on what valve train to run with them. I am stuck between the GSC beehive springs on oem retainers or Brian Crower single spring with retainers (BC0100). They run about the same price new.

Here are the specs:

Brian Crower-Spring Pressure: BC1100 Seat: 1.550" @ 95 lbs / Open: 1.000" @ 235 lbs / Coil Bind: 0.935" (no machine work required)

GSC Springs-Seat @ 1.56"=68 lbs / .300"=160lbs / .400"=190lbs / .450"=210lbs / .625"= Coil bind

Any help is much appreciated and thanks for your guys time in advance

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are you planning on running launch control and/or flat throttle shifting?
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Originally Posted by RSMike
are you planning on running launch control and/or flat throttle shifting?
Just flat throttle control
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GSC's....only because i hate BC products and i know GSC is a quality component.
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If you want to run flat throttle shifting, you will need a higher than stock seat pressure.
Stock seat pressure with GSC springs and stock retainers/seats is 68lbs.
I could not run Flat throttle shifting on that setup because the burn in the exhaust manifold (from retarded ignition) caused the exhaust valves to push open.

I've had to change to the GSC retainers and Seats, which puts seat pressure to 100lbs when closed. This will stop the valves opening when they aren't supposed to.

Hope that helps
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Originally Posted by RSMike
If you want to run flat throttle shifting, you will need a higher than stock seat pressure.
Stock seat pressure with GSC springs and stock retainers/seats is 68lbs.
I could not run Flat throttle shifting on that setup because the burn in the exhaust manifold (from retarded ignition) caused the exhaust valves to push open.

I've had to change to the GSC retainers and Seats, which puts seat pressure to 100lbs when closed. This will stop the valves opening when they aren't supposed to.

Hope that helps
I also had this problem using anti lag on my AEM and using BC springs. Actually floated valves because of the extreme pressures.
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i believe the BC springs and retainers have a 95lb seat pressure when closed
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GSC's are vastly superior to the BC's, I would use stock beehives over the BC's
Old Jun 8, 2011, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by erickponce
i believe the BC springs and retainers have a 95lb seat pressure when closed
Yeah the BC website says it's seated at 95 lbs.
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people hate BC here so you know the answer
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Originally Posted by djikonatx
people hate BC here so you know the answer
What are you running?
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Originally Posted by djikonatx
people hate BC here so you know the answer
Give us a reason not to
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BC's been in my car since 5Xk and at 130k+ now so... Car sees 8300 regularly. Never an issue seen in logs/VD graphs

Not changing them out now unless I see a "Reason Too"
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Originally Posted by gsrboi80
BC's been in my car since 5Xk and at 130k+ now so... Car sees 8300 regularly. Never an issue seen in logs/VD graphs

Not changing them out now unless I see a "Reason Too"
What BC setup are you running?
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BC's quality seems to be hit or miss. not just here. In the Honda world it was the same thing. People don't like BC's.

I know their cams when compared to others aren't giving the same numbers.


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