believe it or not...I can pick up a F1 system cheap off a wrecked modena i know about...he used to track his car and it took a pretty nice hit that isnt repairable...this guy wants to part it out...im just not sure it can be retrofitted..thats where i was gonna get the paddles from that i spoke about before..but if it coud...that would be the ultimate system...Im just not sure it can be done

 

the only isue with the f1 system is launching the car....if u sit there and floor the car off the line...u will burn the **** out of your clutch..its really not made for a drag race...but then again if i could get paddles in this car..i wouldnt even be concerned about the drag racing aspect

 

Sounds like it would be pretty cool if it worked out but the expression comes to mind:

The juice ain't worth the squeeze!

 

the key is to be certain about the programmability of the system.. you can DEFINITELY retrofit the system, and get decent results.. just keep in mind that the system needs to be capable of reading and launching based on TPS and other inputs.. Many of them will "Disengage the clutch" if it sees the brake pressed, therefore you should be able to do a footbrake launch and it will do the work for you..

Anyway, you will need the paddle assembly, the entire actuator, pump, ecu, wiring harness sensors, etc.. you'll need a lancer brake pedal assembly, switch, etc.. you will need to contact the manufacturer of the SMG ECU and get the specs, and find out if its 'inline programmable' and if it is, purchase the programming tool and software.

Your probably looking about about $8-10k in parts and if you can program the ECU correctly you should be very happy with a footbrake launch and general part throttle, and WOT throttle shifting.. Don't expect a miracle though, your at the limit of the capabilities of the hardware, so don't expect 1/20th of a second shifts.. however you can now program it to always RPM match (you'll need the throttle actuator also) on downshifts

At this level, you will need a better clutch, and a lighter flywheel since it requires very responsive engine RPM characteristics to be able to correctly upshift and downshift.

 

I have an exeedy...my motor should be putting out over 500 whp on street gas...I have a billet flywheel now as well..so it should be a nice setup....I can get the entire transmission harness for the f1 and all parts for the f1 for 7000, i can sell the transmission alone for 6500 to a guy in miami....total cost for the f1 ferrari parts 500 bucks...

 

Cool... just verify that its capable of being reprogrammed.. you don't want to get stuck with an OEM programmed part.. also, verify the type of actuators its using.. pneumatic will be the quickest, but also the harshest on the clutch..

Damn, I hope this info at least helps.. I can only encourage you not to try this, its really expensive ultimately and may not be as drivable as you like.. but at least you have the clutch and flywheel already..

 

Im not sure id do it...i have no clue how to make it work...i would need a professional to do this...

 

The GTA has a detuned engine that makes more power than a USDM engine ..

Gotta hate that .. .. the transmission is built to withstand 400hp .. the turbo is matched to the transmission (TD05-15K2) ..

its not loose (so to speak) and pesto's right about off the standing start no one can beat the GTA for a good consistent launch .. brake hold at D and rev holds at 3000rpms (guess where's peak torque )

It comes with a trans cooler that's at the location where you guys have the intercooler spray bottle ..

you do have to contend with ACD though .. maybe bypass that


4.6s 0-60mph automatic without NOS at only 1.3bar

 

whats the stock stall what do u think id have to do to the gta trans to make it handle 600 crank hp?...to all the nay sayers...why would I have to put a radical converter in with a high stall? why not use a stock stall speed converter so I have driveability with beefed up internals?

 

He's talking about 500whp, thats probably close to 600+ crank HP.. that would be enough to quickly obliterate a stock automatic transmission and you'd need a 4000rpm or better torque converter since as you said, you would need to match the launch RPM at peak torque (which is also more or less where the turbo finally spools up) I know from personal experience (I had a custom torque converter made for my automatic neon before I junked it) and it can cost an easy $1200 to take a stock converter and upgrade it.. over $2000 if you want one custom made.

These are all great options, but automatics and turns don't always go hand in hand.. it takes alot to get an automatic to behave in a predictable manner on a road course.. thats why SMG computer controlled manuals were invented. I'm fairly certain that the GT-A tranny is by design, very similar to every other consumer automatic available, which means that there are quite a few weak points, and it uses a valve body and electromechanical actuators.. which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I would be curious to know if were possible to upgrade to withstand those power levels.

 

a 3000 rpm stall speed may be too tight for your RPM band.. you would want it to be somewhere around 4000.. at 3000rpm you may end up stressing the driveline excessively when you flash the converter (get to the stall point) generating alot of heat, and putting alot of torque against the gears, shafts, etc. while your footbraking.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it can't be done.. but think it through before you attempt it. It certainly won't be very cost effective no matter what route you take, since your not doing the work yourself, every aspect of it will be custom to some extent, which means hours of work and downtime, and someone else wrenching on your car. Also, you will now end up with a system that may not be easily servicable should you have a problem on the road and need something to fix it and your nowhere near your favorite shop is. (Cross country cruising is real popular like the hot-rod power tour, etc..) Make sure you not only get the parts to build it.. but make enough spares to replace everything Just in case..

 

funny u say the hot rod power tour...I may do the players run..its supposed to be really fun

 

John call some people that have this box in a evo. I don't know what the Ferrari F1 can hold. I have a friend who has 3 of them and 1 is a race car with the F1 and he is putting down around 550 WHP. If you want I can get in touch with him and see how it works. I know it's in the shop alot because it is a real race car. Also I don't think it would work to great on the street because it shifts very hard. Let me know

 

You could try this system from 5Zigen, that has an application for the Evo VII http://www.takakaira.co.jp/asp/templ...MmIjJjegFhdkGf

It might require ACD or other misc stuff though...

 

Try looking here,

I believe properly built a GTA transmission should be fine with the proer clutch packs, valve body work, and properly sized transmission cooler. It is very rare for 1g/2g DSM transmissions(which should be weaker than the GTA-Transmission) to grenade even at higher power levels unless abused(read:heat problems) Try the web site below for some good leads on aftermarket products and someone who is very knowlegeable on the topic.

http://users.erols.com/rcoxe/Default.htm

His eclipse is making 567 whp so Im sure it can be done