Nitrous 50 shot!!!
Nitrous 50 shot!!!
I always see 2jz and other legendary motors run nitrous on top of their regular big turbo setup and they are two different cars when they spray. There are many evo's here on Evom that make mid 700's with a nice strong motor/ head without nitrous why not have a nitrous systems installed to spray it with a 50 shot or bigger from time to time obviously with the proper installation and tune? if anyone has run nitrous and wants to share your experiences it will be great
I have ran nitrous. Not through my evo but in my old eclipse and my honda.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
I've never had experience with nitrous all I hear is negative comments about nitrous I guess really sucks
I have ran nitrous. Not through my evo but in my old eclipse and my honda.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
I have ran nitrous. Not through my evo but in my old eclipse and my honda.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
My experience has been mixed. In the eclipse I had a 75 shot nitrous express wet shot. Ended up melting the number 4 piston and breaking some valves. You could stick a nickel between the piston and cylinder wall. It was tuned for it and ran into a fuel pump problem and went lean.
Before I turboed my honda I sprayed a 50 shot through it untuned(not smart) but had been prevviously tuned for bigger injectors and pump and a few bolt ons. We uped the fuel pressure and it too was a nitrous express kit and I had no problems out of it and sprayed probably a total of ten times.
My advice, don't do it, i would much rather go with water meth and run more boost. You also have to think of the fact the 2jz motor is larger with more cylinders which in turn a 75 shot divided up into 6 cylinders is not the same as a 75 shot going into 4 cylinders. But I guess that would depend on what kind of shot you ran whether it be wet dry or direct. There's just too much at risk and its unpredictable. A friend of mine recently blew a hole in his intake plenum on a mustang when it had a nitrous backfire and left him stranded.
Be careful that you don't blow the welds on your intake. You also don't want to fry your rings cuz then you and the mad scientist will have to rip apart the block. and that would make you a sad panda.
nitrous is safe if the cars tuned right.. the motor needs to retard timing when its sprayed. and yes alot of people have blown motors because of nitrous but thats because of incorrect tuning for it. nitrous is a good thing if setup right
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Here is a good link op http://www.go-fast.org/z28/new_to_nitrous.html if your new to the idea of nitrous and explains some of the basics granted they are talking about spraying on a f-body but the same applies to any car. Please take note of the note in the bottom in red. He even states he does not reccommend usingg nitrous unless u have the spare change for a new motor.
I would agree using nitrous to spool a large turbo is a good idea but only using a very small shot and even then I wouldn be comfortable with the idea. Too much to worry about such as timing, fuel, fuel pressure, fuel pump, nitrous itself, nitrous bottle pressure, solenoids failing. Anyone of those not being spot on and you melt pistons and break stuff.
I would much rather keep it simple with a meth kit raise the boost and it have its own failsafe, than have to worry about all the things that can go wrong using nitrous. Plus boost is free, when I was using nitrous 5 years ago it was around $5 a lb so basically $100 dollars to fill both tanks in both cars. Not to mention a kit itself is usually around $600 for just the tank lines jets solenoids and wiring. Then you still have to buy a heater, purge, and a rpm switch to do it right so ur looking at around 1200 bucks to get going another 4-500 for tuning and around 50 every month or so depending on how much use it gets. That's a big investment for 50hp to me.
i have considered n2o on my evo many times,just a dry 50 shot would be perfect,but i also have 1250cc injectors and can cover my fuel needs, im on a single wally 255,i wonder if that would be enough on 18-21psi . I am running 30 on e85 now
but all means go for the n2o and tell me how it works, this forum is the wrong place to ask because most people on here are too scared to do something that isnt popular....and they will make fun of you,because they have no idea what they're talking about
but all means go for the n2o and tell me how it works, this forum is the wrong place to ask because most people on here are too scared to do something that isnt popular....and they will make fun of you,because they have no idea what they're talking about
I would agree using nitrous to spool a large turbo is a good idea but only using a very small shot and even then I wouldn be comfortable with the idea. Too much to worry about such as timing, fuel, fuel pressure, fuel pump, nitrous itself, nitrous bottle pressure, solenoids failing. Anyone of those not being spot on and you melt pistons and break stuff.
I would much rather keep it simple with a meth kit raise the boost and it have its own failsafe, than have to worry about all the things that can go wrong using nitrous. Plus boost is free.
I would much rather keep it simple with a meth kit raise the boost and it have its own failsafe, than have to worry about all the things that can go wrong using nitrous. Plus boost is free.
i agree that tuning boost and n2o is a little more difficult than n2o on an N/A motor,but you dont start off with your boost as high as it can go.You back the boost down to a ''comfortable level'' then add the n2o, raise either the boost or n2o as the tuning progresses . Meth kits fail constantly....read the thread AWDmotorsports made about that junk....
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Some Supra guys are running turbos large enough where a small shot of nitrous helps greatly in spooling up these huge turbos. It could be used on an Evo as well, but there is definitely risk involved. I had a mustang that was built for nitrous and I would regularly destroy exhaust valves.
I ran a 125 shot for a few years on my twinturbo Z, but only on race gas. Tuning is easy, but you need a wideband to dial in the fuel jet. To an earlier point made, without spray I ran 28psi on a pair of 16g's, but with spray I ran only 19psi. It felt about the same as far as power, but the car at low boost and nitrous was pure fun due to instant boost.
Check your solenoids and you shouldn't have any reliability issues with the setup. For a stock setup I personally wouldn't fear a 50shot wet and you will be surprised how fun it can be. Another trick is to hook it up to a Hobbs/TP switch and have it cut off at a certain pressure if you just want it for spool.
I once broke the tp switch at the track and hot wired to the arming switch. Unfortunately, I forgot to turn it off at the end of the run....oops.
Check your solenoids and you shouldn't have any reliability issues with the setup. For a stock setup I personally wouldn't fear a 50shot wet and you will be surprised how fun it can be. Another trick is to hook it up to a Hobbs/TP switch and have it cut off at a certain pressure if you just want it for spool.
I once broke the tp switch at the track and hot wired to the arming switch. Unfortunately, I forgot to turn it off at the end of the run....oops.
youre preaching a METH KIT and saying n20 isnt safe hahaha
i agree that tuning boost and n2o is a little more difficult than n2o on an N/A motor,but you dont start off with your boost as high as it can go.You back the boost down to a ''comfortable level'' then add the n2o, raise either the boost or n2o as the tuning progresses . Meth kits fail constantly....read the thread AWDmotorsports made about that junk....
i agree that tuning boost and n2o is a little more difficult than n2o on an N/A motor,but you dont start off with your boost as high as it can go.You back the boost down to a ''comfortable level'' then add the n2o, raise either the boost or n2o as the tuning progresses . Meth kits fail constantly....read the thread AWDmotorsports made about that junk....
Looks like the benefits far outway those of nitrous, and i personally haven't run meth injection yet but it doesn't take a genius to see that this forum has its own section for meth injection but I have yet to see one for nitrous and I have personally blown engines up that WERE tuned for it and had success on engines that WEREN'T tuned for nitrous. so you be the judge of which is safer and more commonly used.
Im not saying either is "safe" being "safe" depends of course on the tune, user, failsafes, and condition of the engine itself.
And the idea of using it to spool a large turbo is great, or I guess I should say was. If you plan on dragging the car with all of the ems advancements y wouldn you just run anti-lag and come off the line at full boost or close to it no matter the size of the turbo?