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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:24 AM
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Whice Intercooler is Better

I was wondering which intercooler was the best and can u actually tell a diff in hp numbers on the stock turbo Thanks guys
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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The one that we carry from AMS showed a 20hp increase with the stock turbo.. It's definitely a well worth mod even for the stock turbo (which runs so much hotter than a big one, by the way)..

And it's completely bolt-on!



We have it on sale currently too! It's only $749 Shipped!

Let me know if you have any questions!
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:51 AM
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thanks man do u have to cut the splash guard on the bottom that is not big deal if u do
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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Yes, you do have to cut it.. It's basically flush with the bottom of the splash guard.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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The buschur is good for similar gains, same type of installation issue, (Trimming the bottom of the splash guard, or heating it and bending it slightly)

The buschur kit comes with some replacement plumbing though, supposed to eliminate a few inches of pipe between the turbo outlet and the intercooler.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 11:14 AM
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20 HP? Really? Can you prove it?

Originally posted by RENN-ART
The one that we carry from AMS showed a 20hp increase with the stock turbo.. It's definitely a well worth mod even for the stock turbo (which runs so much hotter than a big one, by the way)..
In the Dec. 2003 Import Tuner (p. 96), they dyno tested the effects of the AVO intercooler and achieved only 3.6 additional horsepower. Torque was an additional 9.2, which is decent. How does AMS get an additional 20 hp as compared to 3.6 with AVO? The test was done at Brainstrorm in L.A. Here is the link:

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0312it_pplancer/

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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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the fmic is going to be a mod that will give more hp with the more mods on the car. On a stock car bolting it on will give you a smaller gain than bolting it on a car that has been pretty much built except for the turbo and fmic
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 03:46 PM
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Re: 20 HP? Really? Can you prove it?

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In the Dec. 2003 Import Tuner (p. 96), they dyno tested the effects of the AVO intercooler and achieved only 3.6 additional horsepower. Torque was an additional 9.2, which is decent. How does AMS get an additional 20 hp as compared to 3.6 with AVO? The test was done at Brainstrorm in L.A. Here is the link:

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0312it_pplancer/
That article didnt make any mention to any type of ecu tuning after any mod. Who knows what boost or a/f ratio was run between each & every mod as well.

The gains that would be seen by going to an aftermarket ic are due to potentially running a higher boost level @ peak revs due to less pressue drop accross ic, by reducing inlet temps & reduced ex back preesure. I have no experience with the avo ic, but just look for a reputable company that you can trust & stands by their product & which says they have the lowest pressure drop. bushur or ams looks nice, then again I have only seen them in pics on this website.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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Just to add to this. Our FMIC comes with the lower intercooler plumbing and was the first to eliminate the rediculous stock plumbing that is on the car. Some other companies may have "copied" this design now, not sure.

The intercooler is good for 750 hp and the lower plumbing kit that is included with our kit actually eliminates 5 bends and 20" of intercooler plumbing.

The kit is only $750.


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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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I had AMS make me a custom lower IC pipe after I saw the one they did on their car when they developed their bolt in FMIC replacement. I wanted to have them make me an upper one but Martin and Kris wouldn't let me get one, and honestly I am glad that they didn't because even though the one that they made as a prototype looks really nice and has a nicer Tial BOV on it. I personally watched them swap it on the dyno for the back to back product testing and the increase would not have been worth my hard earned dollars.

Thanks again to the AMS guys for saving me a few bucks!!!


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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 04:43 PM
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Well, lets see, if the car is stock and boost is dropping off to 15 psi, then your stock IS is fine for your setup, however if your car is running some real boost, at 7000 rpm, its gonna help.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 05:47 PM
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Well, lets see, if the car is stock and boost is dropping off to 15 psi, then your stock IS is fine for your setup, however if your car is running some real boost, at 7000 rpm, its gonna help.

You hit the nail on the head! The reduced pressure loss was the main reason for the hp increase. Perhaps other IC designs aren't as good at doing this...

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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by davidbuschur
Just to add to this. Our FMIC comes with the lower intercooler plumbing and was the first to eliminate the rediculous stock plumbing that is on the car. Some other companies may have "copied" this design now, not sure.

The intercooler is good for 750 hp and the lower plumbing kit that is included with our kit actually eliminates 5 bends and 20" of intercooler plumbing.

The kit is only $750.


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I recently got the Buschur fmic and I love it. Fitment was a little tight, kinda had to work it on but not a problem. Quality is . I'm happy with it. Haven't retuned my emanage yet so not sure about power gains right now. Oh, and it sounds nasty
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 08:02 PM
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What do you mean by it sounds nasty? Just the FMIC changed the sound the car makes? Intake, exhaust, or both sound different now? Im either doing this or a set of cams. Which would be better? Did you feel a difference in HP?

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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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What do you mean by it sounds nasty? Just the FMIC changed the sound the car makes? Intake, exhaust, or both sound different now? Im either doing this or a set of cams. Which would be better? Did you feel a difference in HP?

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With intake/exhaust at WOT the car sounded like a rush of air. Now all you can hear is the scream/whine of the turbo. It's like a jet engine under the hood. Intake does not sounds as 'airy'. Exhaust sounds the same. Turbo is just A LOT louder. I would do fmic first, in fact I did do fmic first. To me it makes more sense to do a supporting mod first. Prepare for the cams so you are ready for them when you get them.

Check out this thread, there's some good information https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=which+fmic
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