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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CBRE
I just removed my BB Black and installed the BB Green, back to my FAT powerband, damn this thing is quick now!
Any logs or dynos comparing to the regular hta green?
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 06:12 AM
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Ok. I am officially confused. I am curently in the market for a turbo for my daily driver / weekend warrior / autocross car. Its a stock evo IX that will soon have the engine replaced with an AMS2.3rr with cosworth head and GSCS2 Cams. I was looking at getting the BB FP RED. But now I dont know if to get the BB Red or the BB Green. Damn you Curt Brown. !!!!!!!!!! LOL.
Help.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Lucas ran his DBB Green for 202 road race miles in a single day without issue. Robert agreed that qualified as a torture test since it was seeing sustained EGT for basically the whole track day. Define long term, though, 6 months or a year?
Long term for me is my original BBK. I put 20k miles on it, all of which it saw 25-33psi daily, hot starts, cold starts, warm starts, just pure DD kicking around. Then I rolled my car, it survived along with the rest of the engine bay, and I sold it to mrfred. I'm not sure exactly how many miles he's put on it but I'd guess between 5-10k.

That being said, I would LOVE to rock a DBB BBK or HTA green and run it at 35-38psi spike. As reliable as my BBK was and a lot of HTA Greens have been at the boost levels I ran my BBK at, I feel pushing that to 34+ is going to start to hinder the life of the turbo. Same for my BBX on my evoX...I'm keeping it right around 30psi daily...15k miles and counting...but if I can ever get my hands on a DBB turbo for this thing, I will likely start to run more boost daily. Plus more torque is awesome
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 08:43 AM
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Found a brand new journal bearing HTA Green and decided to go with it. Thanks a lot for everyone's input.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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Good choice. Bolt that baby up to that MAP ported manifold and see what you get.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by khmerpimpin
Any logs or dynos comparing to the regular hta green?
Soon I will have dyno #'s.
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRE
I just removed my BB Black and installed the BB Green, back to my FAT powerband, damn this thing is quick now!
When's the BB-BBK Full going to be available?
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Thoe99
When's the BB-BBK Full going to be available?
Not sure if you confused CBRE with CBRD haha.. I think the bb bbk's should be out kinda soon.
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Old Nov 12, 2011 | 01:46 AM
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I will be running a cbrd built 2.3 with a bbk-b-bb.
Got few tricks involved by chad on it and running a winberg crank and carrillo h beams. Be mated up to a shep trains six speed- we will see what gives up first....
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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 10:28 AM
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Oil Starvation

Originally Posted by JohnBradley
The journal bearing turbo failures we have seen can be traced to one cause, oil starvation. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways but the smaller turbos tend to be ran on road race cars more than drag cars. As such they are subjected to cornerning starvation that at full boost (140k+rpm) means instant death for the turbocharger.
What are some preventive measures against oil starvation for a daily driver?

Originally Posted by CO_VR4
Good choice. Bolt that baby up to that MAP ported manifold and see what you get.
I have read about the MAP ported exhaust manifolds and they look like quality parts. I have read your prior posts about integrity and cannot fully determine if you are being sarcastic in this post. What exhaust manifold do you run, might I ask?
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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_evo
What are some preventive measures against oil starvation for a daily driver?
Oil starvation comes from (1) inadequate oil pressure, and (2) acceleration forces that cause oil to sloch away from the pickup (cornering and straightline, both). The inadequate oil pressure issue has been well researched by FP, and they recommend feeding from the filter source, which has earlier feed and pressure (stock head feed is the end of the oil pressure line) and more consistent pressure. The cornering issue is addressed by a Kiggly HLA (keeps more oil in the lower part of the oiling system), modifications to the oil pan to increase oil volume and keep it where the pickup does not suck air instead of oil due to sloshing, and other options, like an Accusump which stores and releases additional oil under pressure into the system when the oil pressure drops for any reason. If you want the best option, that's a dry sump, but $4000 may be a little steep for most of us.

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I have read about the MAP ported exhaust manifolds and they look like quality parts. I have read your prior posts about integrity and cannot fully determine if you are being sarcastic in this post. What exhaust manifold do you run, might I ask?
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I bought a new MAP ported/coated manifold, and it was very nicely done. I was planning to install it, but RojoEvo bought a ToxicFab full SS manifold a couple months ago and then a month or so ago decided to go smaller and put his FP Black and the ToxicFab manifold up for sale. I bought the ToxicFab from him and included the MAP ported manifold as part of the deal. That's why I told him to bolt the HTA Green he just bought right on the MAP manifold and get it on the road I have other MAP non-turbo parts, including the SS 2 piece downpipe. It's a well made part, too, and will be on my car with the BB HTA Green. Let's go to PMs if you want to discuss anything else.
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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_VR4
Oil starvation comes from (1) inadequate oil pressure, and (2) acceleration forces that cause oil to sloch away from the pickup (cornering and straightline, both). I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I bought a new MAP ported/coated manifold, and it was very nicely done.
How did you address oil starvation for your particular set up? Did you just have the OEM exhaust manifold sent it for port work by MAP? Why did you not go with their long runner exhaust manifold?
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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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Car is up and running. Going to the dyno to re-tune on Friday. I'll post up results.


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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_evo
How did you address oil starvation for your particular set up?
I use the FP feed from the filter. I have the AMS oil pan and the Kiggly HLA, and an Accusump here if needed.

Originally Posted by pure_evo
Did you just have the OEM exhaust manifold sent it for port work by MAP?
I bought the MAP manifold already done, and gave them an exchange stock manifold. You could send in yours and end up the same.

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Why did you not go with their long runner exhaust manifold?
Have you seen a ToxicFab manifold?
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Old Nov 13, 2011 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rojo EVO
Car is up and running. Going to the dyno to re-tune on Friday. I'll post up results.


That should be big fun
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