EF3, BB Green or BB BBK?
Nov 2, 2011, 10:48 PM
#1
EF3, BB Green or BB BBK?
I need a new turbo. I just sold my FP Black and want something smaller with faster spool. The new bb Green is what I really want, but the price is a little high and the wait time too long. The EF3 looks like a great alternative, especially for the price, but I'm not sure about it's overall performance in comparison to the Green. The bb BBK sounds like a great alternative as well, but what about pricing and availability? Love the wealth of options, but I'm having a hard time making up my mind. Looking for suggestions. Should I just bite the bullet and go with the Green? Or should I go with something else? What do you guys suggest? I'm on a stock block 2.0 non-mivec motor with E-85 and supporting mods btw.
Nov 3, 2011, 03:02 AM
#2
Hey brother, all turbos that you listed are great turbos and can't go wrong with any of them. Oviously the BB units will be more reliable in the long run though. I carry all three if you are interested, shoot me a pm.
I have the DBB Black on my car and love it. I have an EF4 at the shop that will be going one my car to test as I have not ran a EF4 yet. Just to let you know, the EF3 will make more power than either the Green/BBK as it is a larger turbo. More comparable to a Red.
Mikey
I have the DBB Black on my car and love it. I have an EF4 at the shop that will be going one my car to test as I have not ran a EF4 yet. Just to let you know, the EF3 will make more power than either the Green/BBK as it is a larger turbo. More comparable to a Red.
Mikey
Nov 4, 2011, 03:19 PM
#4
Yea like Mikey said the EF3 is gonna be larger than the green or bbk. The EF2 seems to really spool quickly tho. Here's some pretty impressive results of the EF2 for the X...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-pump-gas.html
I run the HTA green and it really is a great turbo. If I were in the market right now I would go for a ball bearing model and I think FP is the only one who offers them currently. Not sure if you've seen English's videos of the BB green...makes me wanna send mine in for a rebuild. BB stock frame is the future bro, don't miss out. The price is a bit lofty tho...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-pump-gas.html
I run the HTA green and it really is a great turbo. If I were in the market right now I would go for a ball bearing model and I think FP is the only one who offers them currently. Not sure if you've seen English's videos of the BB green...makes me wanna send mine in for a rebuild. BB stock frame is the future bro, don't miss out. The price is a bit lofty tho...
Nov 4, 2011, 03:29 PM
#5
i just got the 7460R, which is also BB and I've been quite happy with it - I haven't finished tuning, so I'm running extremely rich and down 3psi from the stock turbo and I'm actually making the exact same power, so I'm looking forward to seeing how it does with more boost and fully tuned!
Nov 4, 2011, 04:16 PM
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Nov 4, 2011, 04:25 PM
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Nov 5, 2011, 11:12 AM
#8
In general I would agree with you here sir, but from what I understand FP's ball bearing center section is proprietary and there's not much feedback out there yet (and nothing long term due to the recent release) so I wouldn't be so quick to lump them in with PTE or Garrett's track record
Can't wait for your results
Can't wait for your results
I'll let you know once the turbo is on the car.Maybe you will get to see it in person and I'll take you for a ride and see if I can scare you!
Mikey
Nov 5, 2011, 08:13 PM
#10
Can't argue with that, but one has to wonder how many "less reliable" journal bearing units (especially the smaller variations) have done that over the years without issue. I would simply like to see a larger sample set before assigning the reliability of existing ball bearing turbochargers to this proprietary new design.
Nov 5, 2011, 09:06 PM
#11
Can't argue with that, but one has to wonder how many "less reliable" journal bearing units (especially the smaller variations) have done that over the years without issue. I would simply like to see a larger sample set before assigning the reliability of existing ball bearing turbochargers to this proprietary new design.
Nov 5, 2011, 10:22 PM
#12
...your repeated veiled suggestion of possible problems with FP's BB turbo line (that haven't happened) is unwarranted, at best. Since you are unfamiliar with the patent pending innovation in the Forced Performance BB turbo center section, let's stick to things closer to home.
Who knows this product may be exactly what you and the other FP mercenaries make it out to be, but at this point any discussion in regards to longevity is nothing more than speculation due to the relatively small number of units in operation and limited time on the market. We've had a few wastegate actuator issues and one turbine housing casting flaw, all of which have been rectified to the satisfaction of our customers to the best of my knowledge. We're not perfect and we will never claim to be, but we will stand behind our product and continue to offer our customers the unmatched level of customer service that has come to be expected from MAP.
Last edited by ChrisCarey; Nov 5, 2011 at 10:35 PM.
Nov 6, 2011, 11:16 AM
#13
The journal bearing turbo failures we have seen can be traced to one cause, oil starvation. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways but the smaller turbos tend to be ran on road race cars more than drag cars. As such they are subjected to cornerning starvation that at full boost (140k+rpm) means instant death for the turbocharger. 4 cars in particular also had rod bearing damage (light) that was noticeable revealing what was the source of the turbo failure.
In 2 other cases there was simply rod bearing damage from whatever cause that had pushed contamination through the rest of the oiling system. So obviously you'd think well there are 2 filters right? Exactly and when the feedline filter gets clogged by damaged engine particulates guess what happens...turbo failure.
The testing phase of the ball bearing center section was intense. If it can survive that and more importantly survive Luke, it will survive anything. Robert gave Luke the no break guarantee so trust me if anyone will find the combination to the weak link, Luke has the skill to do it.
PM's are not admissible unfortunately. You cant post them to the public without the senders consent, if they wanted to post them they could have in the first place. The old internet adage of "pix or didnt happen" comes to mind.
In 2 other cases there was simply rod bearing damage from whatever cause that had pushed contamination through the rest of the oiling system. So obviously you'd think well there are 2 filters right? Exactly and when the feedline filter gets clogged by damaged engine particulates guess what happens...turbo failure.
The testing phase of the ball bearing center section was intense. If it can survive that and more importantly survive Luke, it will survive anything. Robert gave Luke the no break guarantee so trust me if anyone will find the combination to the weak link, Luke has the skill to do it.
PM's are not admissible unfortunately. You cant post them to the public without the senders consent, if they wanted to post them they could have in the first place. The old internet adage of "pix or didnt happen" comes to mind.
Last edited by JohnBradley; Nov 6, 2011 at 11:18 AM.
