Burning Oil- catch can install help
i already answered the OP.. i quoted my initial response in this thread.. it is not a catch can issue he has.
read what you said earlier dastallion951 you worded it weird.. id remove/edit that post then. (its confusing) (i figured you knew how a pcv worked or atleast hoped.. but the way you worded it confused me)
ill end my discussion with this;
1. i have a built engine and run lots of boost and have more blowby issues then mostly anyone on a stock block so i know how to address the issue properly from direct experience and testing. if you build a built engine with to tight of tolerances it will just fall apart quicker.
1a. the can on the valve cover side to air intake doesn't get much if any oil.. so its not even there for a oil catch can.. im using it to connect the air intake tract to the valve cover tract to get vacuum from the turbo to help relieve pressure and it works and was tested with a boost gauge. absolutely no reason for a check valve to go on that side since its being pushed mainly out and not directional both ways. no dead end per say.. out the exhaust it goes.
1b. as you said you only need one can really - and that is the pcv to intake manifold side to keep oil out of the intake manifold.. and that can will get a few drops out of it every now and then so that should be done.. that will see way more oil blowby then the air intake side.
bottom line is, if you have 1 catch can and dont want to lose the functionality of a pcv, then you will put the can in-between the pcv and intake manifold since that area gets more oil then anywhere else. then as we both agreed and are trying to convince the other guy, its a good thing to put a check valve in-between the line running from the can and intake manifold so the can gets no intake manifold pressure directed into it.
maybe after i explained some of the repercussions of what hes doing he will test the check valve now.. i mean id hope so.. writing all of this for nothing is pointless.
but we are on the same page.. im not debating you.. dont take what i said the wrong way.
read what you said earlier dastallion951 you worded it weird.. id remove/edit that post then. (its confusing) (i figured you knew how a pcv worked or atleast hoped.. but the way you worded it confused me)
ill end my discussion with this;
1. i have a built engine and run lots of boost and have more blowby issues then mostly anyone on a stock block so i know how to address the issue properly from direct experience and testing. if you build a built engine with to tight of tolerances it will just fall apart quicker.
1a. the can on the valve cover side to air intake doesn't get much if any oil.. so its not even there for a oil catch can.. im using it to connect the air intake tract to the valve cover tract to get vacuum from the turbo to help relieve pressure and it works and was tested with a boost gauge. absolutely no reason for a check valve to go on that side since its being pushed mainly out and not directional both ways. no dead end per say.. out the exhaust it goes.
1b. as you said you only need one can really - and that is the pcv to intake manifold side to keep oil out of the intake manifold.. and that can will get a few drops out of it every now and then so that should be done.. that will see way more oil blowby then the air intake side.
bottom line is, if you have 1 catch can and dont want to lose the functionality of a pcv, then you will put the can in-between the pcv and intake manifold since that area gets more oil then anywhere else. then as we both agreed and are trying to convince the other guy, its a good thing to put a check valve in-between the line running from the can and intake manifold so the can gets no intake manifold pressure directed into it.
maybe after i explained some of the repercussions of what hes doing he will test the check valve now.. i mean id hope so.. writing all of this for nothing is pointless.
but we are on the same page.. im not debating you.. dont take what i said the wrong way.
yea i'm not arguing either just trying to mean what i say...i did say it right but its all good. Its discussions like this that help people rule out who they should and shouldn't listen too, most of the time i have good advice to help people, because not for anything else that's what this site is here for to help people, not compare who has the bigger e-weiner haha But yea to be honest i didnt build my engine had a shop build mine, but it was built right its still ticking even on a red on pump gas. If your burning oil, op do a leakdown test, could help rule out where its leaking at if not visually.
so a 6" tube
cfdfireman1 - let me also give you another hint.. by allowing pressure to escape the intake manifold you're hurting your vehicles performance all around. its not necessarily a boost leak, but its robbing your engine of max response since its got another path to go and fill up.. you will most definitely notice quite a bit if you put a check valve where im telling you to.. its going to restrict the airflow to a more narrowed space making your setup more efficient.. right now its a mess depending on how long your lines are.
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im done responding to him.. he clearly is going to continue to allow boost to pressurize his can to 30psi+.
now he thinks the valve cover to air intake side is the same as the intake mani to valve cover? please..
there is nothing pressurizing the can on the valve cover to turbo side in the wrong direction and never will be. the only reason i utilize the can feedback on that end is to use the turbo as a vacuum source and it works well and was tested & monitored via a gauge under WOT.. and there's a massive difference when its routed to the air intake. it helps way more then people think.
i am done responding to him now though.. let him enjoy pressurizing his can cause hes to cheap or to stubborn to take someone elses advice and invest in a $2 check valve that will last the rest of his vehicles life time + assist in more vacuum and response in general.
now he thinks the valve cover to air intake side is the same as the intake mani to valve cover? please..
there is nothing pressurizing the can on the valve cover to turbo side in the wrong direction and never will be. the only reason i utilize the can feedback on that end is to use the turbo as a vacuum source and it works well and was tested & monitored via a gauge under WOT.. and there's a massive difference when its routed to the air intake. it helps way more then people think.
i am done responding to him now though.. let him enjoy pressurizing his can cause hes to cheap or to stubborn to take someone elses advice and invest in a $2 check valve that will last the rest of his vehicles life time + assist in more vacuum and response in general.
I'm thinking of putting the PCV valve between the can and intake manifold. Gonna have a female NPT bung welded to the can and the PCV valve screwed to it to make it look clean. Or maybe a PCV valve before and after the can? Any thoughts on that? I know the check valve between the can and intake manifold works. I just don't want to see a plastic check valve hanging on there.
use the factory pcv valve..it is a check valve....also put the valve before the can ( between the can and the intake manifold ).. not between the can and the valve cover.
One thing some people might miss here. The hoses for the lines to/from can.
Use emissions grade lines..do not use silicone lines. BTW Silicone is slightly permeable to oil and air under pressure. You will get weeping through the walls of the lines...guaranteed.. and you might find what appears to be a slightly lazy boost response from that issue... Also use the correct size hose clamps for the tubing.
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I'm thinking of putting the PCV valve between the can and intake manifold. Gonna have a female NPT bung welded to the can and the PCV valve screwed to it to make it look clean. Or maybe a PCV valve before and after the can? Any thoughts on that? I know the check valve between the can and intake manifold works. I just don't want to see a plastic check valve hanging on there.
use the factory pcv valve..it is a check valve....also put the valve before the can ( between the can and the intake manifold ).. not between the can and the valve cover.
One thing some people might miss here. The hoses for the lines to/from can.
Use emissions grade lines..do not use silicone lines. BTW Silicone is slightly permeable to oil and air under pressure. You will get weeping through the walls of the lines...guaranteed.. and you might find what appears to be a slightly lazy boost response from that issue... Also use the correct size hose clamps for the tubing.
One thing some people might miss here. The hoses for the lines to/from can.
Use emissions grade lines..do not use silicone lines. BTW Silicone is slightly permeable to oil and air under pressure. You will get weeping through the walls of the lines...guaranteed.. and you might find what appears to be a slightly lazy boost response from that issue... Also use the correct size hose clamps for the tubing.
I know what hose and clamps to use.
Thanks for replying.
Last edited by rush63; Dec 16, 2011 at 05:45 PM.
I run into this same problem now that i decided to remove the OEM PCV system, so lots of blowby coming out. I need to recirculate the crankcase from the can back to the intake, is there a check valve available with NPT threads? I want to thread into the manifold.
edit, found some at fastenal
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...0441201&ucst=t
Plus Grainger has some too.
edit, found some at fastenal
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...0441201&ucst=t
Plus Grainger has some too.
Last edited by Pirana; Dec 16, 2011 at 07:20 PM.
I know a PCV valve (OEM) is a check valve that's why I'm putting it between the can and intake manifold because I don't want to use a plastic one (referring to plastic check valve that tcompusa is using). Basically asking his thoughts on putting another PCV valve (OEM, not plastic) between the valve cover (stock location) and catch can.
I know what hose and clamps to use.
Thanks for replying.
I know what hose and clamps to use.
Thanks for replying.
No worries there :-)
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little update. I read some more threads on the Kracka vents from MAP so I ordered them. They didnt help the oil consumption(maybe better gas mileage).
Turbo doesnt have excessive shaft play.
Rear bumper has the black stain around the muffler tip.
Some oil in the LICP(not leaking out, just smeared my finger on it and picked some up)
A little oil on the intake vacuum hose that goes from the valve cover breather hose.
No oil in downpipe-Also took the turbo mani off and couldnt see any oil on the head.
I took the valve cover off and as far as I can see the valve stem seals look ok but I could be wrong.
Compression is good.
Went on a road trip from Wyoming to FL and I had to add some oil every fillup or every other fillup.
Also, my downpipe cracked and exhaust fell offf
Valve seals? Valve stems seals? what else?
Turbo doesnt have excessive shaft play.
Rear bumper has the black stain around the muffler tip.
Some oil in the LICP(not leaking out, just smeared my finger on it and picked some up)
A little oil on the intake vacuum hose that goes from the valve cover breather hose.
No oil in downpipe-Also took the turbo mani off and couldnt see any oil on the head.
I took the valve cover off and as far as I can see the valve stem seals look ok but I could be wrong.
Compression is good.
Went on a road trip from Wyoming to FL and I had to add some oil every fillup or every other fillup.
Also, my downpipe cracked and exhaust fell offf
Valve seals? Valve stems seals? what else?
leakdown test came out good. Getting the valve seals replaced since it seems its the only thing left that could be bad. Also saw some oil on top of cylinder through the sparkplug hole
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