So I have been trying to hunt down a 35r kit. Im looking to make 500+, stock block, pumpgas only. The 35r setups have proven that time and time again. I was browsing through the forums and saw a nice ets kit with a 5862 dbb. Anyone have any info on this turbo?

I have found very little. I did find it spools between a 30r and 35r, which would prolly be pretty good on stock 2.0. Yes I know, its gonna be a little laggy, doesnt bother me as long as it packs a punch and pulls hard to redline.


So, any info on this?? I am primarily looking for spoolup info, on 2.0's. If its in between a 30r and 35r, I think it would be almost perfect! It just makes me wonder why no one else is running these? lol

 

Have you considered other options to attain your goal of 500whp?

I see that you've posted that in a few places and think to myself that coming from a green on E85, you won't be happy with a 35R on pump, even at 500whp.....

I have no info on the PTE turbo you are talking about as no one seems to run them on this site. PM me if you want to chat about other ways to get yourself to 500whp....

 

I just wanna make 500 on pump only. I amback on pump now on the hta green. Running e85 was just a pita for me. Have to go all the way across town to fill up, and plan out my small roadtrips for gas. I enjoy the car much more on pump now, just cause I can go anywhere and dont have to worry about getting gas.

It seems for 500+ hp on stock block, you need to go with a t3 setup, since the tq is later in the power band.

Ive really considered the bb black, but the tq it brings worries me. lol Even more so when tryin to push a hta green.

 

There are other ways to deal with a torque issue that don't involve getting an unresponsive turbo. A turbo can make good low rpm torque for you, whether you decide to access that on a regular basis, is up to you. Keep a responsive turbo and don't access the torque, BUT retain the quick transient boost and response or get a laggier turbo that doesn't have the torque or response, regardless if you want it or not. Ya dig?

First and most obviously, don't do WOT pulls that involve high load and low rpm's. AKA, if you need to floor it and you are below 5k, downshift(not including first and second gear). Another option is to use an EBC so that instead of the normal high boost at peak torque and lower boost at redline, you can do something like 20psi midrange and ramp up to 27-28 at redline. You car can make great power on the green as is, but with a MBC you need a very high spike to have high rpm boost.

Another option is to do the V7 with map switching on a physical switch in the car, that way if you are running low on E85, go to a regular gas station and flip that switch. Or just run pump all the time, and when you get the itch, flip the switch.

I won't send your thread any further off topic than I already have. OOPS!

PM me if you'd like. - or I guess if you don't mind the tangent, we can keep it here.

 

It funny, I pretty much have everything you suggest already. I am working with Tom on a remote tune right now. I mean, I like the green, I just miss the hard pull that I had from my 3065 on my old 1g lol.

I am running a grimmspeed bcs now. I actually kinda miss the pull the car had with the hallman pro. I know the bcs is the smarter choice for boost control on stock block though.

Ive done plenty of wot pulls in 3rd, below 5k. I have to for tuning lol. Start at about 3k and go to 7k. I know a 4th or 5th gear pull is a no no without a downshift. Actually, I have never done a 5th gear pull lol. It makes me a little nervous to do a 4th gear, but I do it anyways.

I currently have v7, I thought of doing a dual map, but didnt want to pay for it. I dont mind the power I make on pump. So far I am making 395whp(vd) on 23psi. We still have more wot tuning to go actually.

I guess I am just missing the old days of my 1g that had people grabbing the oh **** bars at 28psi haha. That car pulled hard, much harder than the hta green does on my evo.

 

Not much to pay for with the dual map. You already have both tunes, throw em into a V7 map using the excel map interpolater and buy a switch with the ecu pins for like $25.

You definitely have to do full RPM sweeps in 3rd or 4th to tune and that's fine, accessing that on a regular basis is what will lead to the demise of your motor.

Ever consider a top quality methanol injection kit like the Aquamist HFS6? Put that together with a properly setup zeitronix WBO2 and EGT with the ZAVT and you're almost completely fool proof.

 

Bump for any more info??

 

I have used the 5862 on cars other than Evos and DSMs and seen good power but it normally requires a larger motor (2.4L) or a bunch of custom pieces to get it to do what it is supposed to.



This is a sample of how it spooled on a 2.5L (96mm x 88mm with 162mm rods) Volvo, 16V head, SMIM, S2Rs (yes you read that right), 9:1 compression, ER ported head (looks like an Evo X without MIVEC actually), Nathan built the SMIM and topmount turbo kit. The SMIM is engineered for 7,000 peak power which it did easy, the valvetrain isnt quite there for a run out to 9000 yet.

It made good power (I guess for a 58mm) but it was slow and took a fair amount of boost to get it done. Nathan is going to switch to a twin scroll housing and see how much it picks up. The SMIM obviously doesnt help spool but it does help power tremendously. It made 25psi by 4700 on a 2.5L admittedly not with an Evo head.

Aaron

 

Wow, I think thats what I really needed to see there lol. That spool would be really bad on a 2.0. haha I just know the ets kit in the classifieds is a deal, but with that turbo, Im gonna have to pass.

Thanks, Aaron

 

If you want 500+ on 93 then get a hta3582 or hta3586. you should be contacting me direct and getting my advise since I'm your tuner. I am very picky when it comes to spool/response/ etc.. i would never steer you in the wrong direction.. however bigger turbos that respond well are not cheap. neither are quality hot parts.. which are just as important!

he is already on tephra v7 with speed density and it can be setup for dual map switching easy.

we could try a hybrid boost control on your car if you feel the grimmspeed has softened the initial boost hit.. which 3 ports are known to do, since they crack open the flapper while a mbc can keep it closed. no matter how good the crossover is setup.

with a hybrid you get the best of both worlds. just requires more vac line routing.

i wouldn't recommend methanol - reason being the spray doesn't hit all cylinders evenly and causes wear on the engine.. maybe if you tapped each runner on the manifold separate it would be ok.. but i don't recommend methanol by just spraying before the TB.

 

We just need to finish the tune on the hta green and be done with it lol.

You'll will have a email tomorrow with a wot pull by the way.

 

so youre going to keep the fp green on? also you do know its easy to setup dual maps on the car right?

 

most likely, as I cant locate a deal on a 3582 setup. The thought has crossed my mind on the bb black still though too lol.

Yea, dual map is nice, but I just drive my car easy on the street, then run it on the track hard.

 

By spraying water/methanol right into the runner you lose a lot of the benefit of the latent heat of evaporation. Also, with an HFS-6 system properly setup it atomizes so well and assuming that you have jetted your UICP far enough from the throttle body to provide for proper cooling and homogenizing (if you will), that its really up to your intake manifold to provide equal fueling to each cylinder.

Lets keep in mind the issue you're describing (unequal flow between cylinders) is purely dependent on the I/M and that if it flows unevenly, it is already an issue, without methanol, seeing as 99.999% of evo owners aren't running an ecu that can individually map injectors (and even less of them would actually benefit from it )

Throw an EGT in the hottest cylinder and you have even greater peace of mind.

Lastly, it won't cause wear on the engine. It keeps the engine much cleaner than gas! Methanol isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I've that and E85 and they both rock. E85's availability to Illinoisans like TsiDrift and myself, sucks, even though we grow a ton of corn. That makes methanol a lot more convenient.

 

I pmed you about a 35R kit and you never responded.