Hey guys im trying to break 500+ with a 2.3L with a gt3037r. im trying to decide between a FP red/black or a bbk system, or a gt35r turbo but dont know what brand would be the best. let me know what you guys are running and your opinions on these.

 

I would recommend either the red bb or the black bb. 500 can be achieved on the red but because the spool time is pretty minimally different compared to the black, plus the punch from a black is wayyyyyy more I would recommend the black. What gas are you planning to use?

 

Here's a MAP EF3 hitting 500whp with a MAP 2.3L:



Very conservative tune, only 27psig on E85.

 

+++1 A stroker with these BB stock-appearing turbos is a winning combo.

 

i plan on keeping it on 91, if we had more e85 pumps in my area i would run it.

 

In that case I would recommend you go with the red (depending what mods you have though its possible you will have some trouble making it to 500 hp), blacks don't exactly like pump gas, at least up here, not sure about on a 2.3 that could completly, and probably does change the entire game. Talk to your tuner see what they have to say.
As for the other turbos they'll cost a lot more, not for just the turbo out of the box mind you but everything you'll have to do to accommodate them quickly adds up to more than the price of the red or black.
Even so if your tuner says they can safely tune a black on 91 I would still recommend that.

FP Black + a 2.3 would be crazy quick.

 

I bought a FP HTA3582R. I picked mine up from Extreme Turbo Systems. I was in the same boat as you, but with a 2.0L. I'm not done with my build, but I wouldn't even play around with a black or a red if I had a built motor, (which I do) and I didn't have e85 readily available, (which I don't). I don't really see the point, (unless u have a 9 turbo they're willing to build into a bb black) considering the price difference is now minimal. It's almost 3grand for a FP black\kit. You can get a stock appearing manifold for cheap. I opted for the tubular. Nothing would suck more than to be limited by your turbo because you cant get E85. That's how I went about choosing parts for my build. I don't want to be buying things twice.

Before I get flamed, you cant go wrong with any of these turbos IMO. When I was looking I was deciding between these:
FP HTA3582R
FP HTA3586R
FP DBB Black

I'm going to be on pump 90% of the time. E85 10%.

 

+1 or an ef4

 

+1 to Graphic

Carlos

 

Why limit yourself? It doesn't really make sense to me why if you do have E85 available to you, even on a limited basis. Why not get switchable maps and a dual tune? Sure, the initial expense is slightly more due mostly to the fuel system upgrades required for running ethanol, but otherwise you will be leaving 70-80 WHP on the table by limiting yourself strictly to 91 pump.

Likewise the Red vs. the Black turbo issue. It is really a no-brainer on a 2.3L motor. The Black is worth 40 WHP untuned over the Red and only spools a couple hundred RPM slower even on a 2.0L engine. Additionally, you may want to check out the EF4 or the still in the works BBK-C as well.

So, between the E85 and the Black together you are talking about an easy 100 WHP over the Red on 91. Why would you want to leave that 100WHP on the table anyway?

Take Graphic above for example. He is in WA like yourself and is taking advantage of the fact that he can get E85 10% of the time. Hey in WA can't you get 92 octane at the pump instead of 91?

On the other hand...I like the thought of an 86 on a stroker motor. That is a serious setup as far as I am concerned.

 

Yeah, it's all 92 pump around here and in the peninsula. I don't think I've seen 91 around. You would be kicking yourself if you didnt have the option to hit a E85 station. Especially if you're going to track your car once in a while.

 

HTA3582 or go big with 6262 , I have 2.3L with 6262 and its as hell ...

good luck

 

I was under the impression the 6262 was smaller than the hta3582r. From dyno plots I've seen better results with the hta especially up top. I could very well be wrong though..

 

Garrett rates the 3582R to 61lb/min worth of airflow. The 6262 is rated at 65lb/min.

 

35r will get u there on pump or crappy gass