The same way you got a before and after dyno sheet with your $900.00 piggy back

 

How much $$$ did it cost you to get to your point with all your install fees, etc ? and WHO tuned your car ?

I guarantee you that any similarly equiped - dyno flashed car will equal or exceed your performance for 1/2 the cost

Bottom line is reflashing is better than a piggy back

 

Al, take a deep breath... The question this thread posed is NOT whose is bigger, but WHY...

And I whole heartedly agree with WILDMAN - we are comparing apples and oranges. There are different applications that may require different solutions.

 

I wish Al would integrate a boost feature like the Works P2 and the Xflash. Then it would be an EASY decision for me I want to get rid of my mbc and be a little more stealthy with an increase in boost. Al, any plans on making that a feature/option with your flash?

 

Never ends, huh Al?

Shiv

 

That post was made before we made our agreement.

For those not up on my discussions with Shiv, I have promised to never again discuss him or his products in any manner going forward. I intend to honor that promise.

I now realize the idiocy of these constant bickering back and forth and its a gaint TOXIC waste of time and general unhelathy activity I have comitted to stop.

While there are many sides to every story and every one remains firm in his her own opinions - I have committed to STOP the negative attacks.

I hope all other vendors will be inspired to follow this more postive approach.


Best regards to all !

 

Apple to Oranges: I would do a flash for less money if I was always going to just run 91 octane and planned no further mods to my car. But the xede lets me run tons of different maps and custom tuning. One thing I don't understand is all the pennypinchers on this site who threw down 30,000 grand for a new car, load it with expensive mods, and then complain about the cost of the Xede. Reflash (dynoflash, xflash, worksflash, etc.)customers, be honest, I'll bet many of you are already on your second flash or are considering a new flash because of some new mod you are adding. At that point, it is getting a little more expensive. Or, as Al suggested, you run the reflash with SAFC, then you aren't really saving money anymore AND you still have less tunability than with the xede. I work hard, make a decent salary, and could afford the best stuff that was currently available: I went with Xede. Also, standalones might be best for ultimate HP/racing applications, but I want to pass emissions and be able to easily remove my mods if needed.

 

For the record, I am running an Xede w/ a custom tuned map.

These are somewhat similar products, but a better comparison might be the Dynoflash vs. the Xflash. Both are reflashes of the stock map. Here, you are comparing a reflash to a piggyback. Apples vs. Oranges. However, I assume you asked your question for a reason. Here's my answer:

Dynoflash
Pros:
-Stealthy
-No parts to install
-Cheaper than the Xede ($595 vs. $895)
-Includes dyno time to customize it to your car

Cons:
-Cannot be adjusted by the user
-Cannot be removed and sold
-No boost control
-Has to work within the limitations of the stock map

Xede:
Pros:
-User tuneable (with a laptop)
-Allows on-the-fly map switching
-Controls boost - no external boost controller necessary
-Has fine range of adjustments
-Has potential for added functionality down the road

Cons:
-Parts added (i.e. dealer could see it if they went looking)
-Will require some additional $ for dyno tuning (Dynoflash includes that dyno time in the product's cost apparently)

To sum up, if you want to leave your car near-stock and as stealthy as possible, a reflash is probably the way to go. If you know you are going to be tweaking your car, why wouldn't you want a piggyback? It is truly plug-and-play. The alternative is to flash the car and then install an MBC and then find a place for that somewhere in the car. So that's additional cost plus installation time. No thanks. And what happens when you want to go back to stock for some reason? Uninstalling and covering up holes is no fun.

So again, ask yourself what your goal is with your car. The answer to that should make this decision easy.

Joe
www.joe250.com

 

Some of us didn't spend a ****load on mods, aren't made of money and wanted something cheaper that performs just as well if not better




My original flash consisted of AEM Intake and Buschur Muffler Delete Pipe....added a MBC....sent to Al for a free reflash


Most of us do


That is subjective...some do some of us don't but wanted to drop $30k on the car we so much loved, regardless..


In your opinion....Looks like there are plenty of options available for CHEAPER that perform just as WELL.



Dynoflash is stealth, no need to remove it...and will pass emissions

 

 

Apples to oranges. Both seem like great products, IMO!

 

Both the reflash and the xede are great products. I would use just a reflash if I didn't like to tinker with different octane maps regularly and planned no further mods.

I'll bet someone is going to come out with a reflash that somehow can switch between 2 or 3 maps. Not a TRUE flash but it might be an inbetween solution that costs less than xede.

 

Note to all, Dynoflash offers 1 free upgraded re-flash to all who he has Dyno tuned or road tuned. So if you add things on later it will be free.I think it is a great mod if you do not want to play tuner. And for the money you cant beat it. The Xlash is another good option and may in the future offer tuning options like the Xede I guess it all depends on your budget and experience.

 

I have the Xflash. I'll never have to pay for another flash from Shiv for as long as I own the car. I only have to pay a Dyno Fee if I choose to get additional tuning.Just an FYI.

Later Skater.

 

I went with an Exede because of the expandibility...

right now I have a full exhaust and the stage 1 map is working nicely for me...

next up will be some 272's and then I'll roll with the 1+ map...

I like the interactive capabilities of the Exdede and if I move on I can repcapture some of the cost...

On the other hand I can see a dynoflash being perfect for either the person that has a stock car and wants to stay that way with no warranty issues or someone who is modded to a final point and is going no further...