Even with the conversations we've had in the past, I'm going to have to slap your wrist on this one. All this talk about "dyno numbers is getting sickening... the paper they are printed on is only valuable, out in the woods, when your short of toilet paper (less a look at the power curve). I say this because people keep trying to parade this two wheel dyno thing where it is meaningless trying to do so. I think we have both (at one time) argued that you can't compare different dynos... it is asinine. However, it is easier to digest "corrected" time slips from different locals vs. different dynos, and it seems Buschur's speak the loudest part for part. It seems that no one is going to be happy with any tuner but their "own".


The attraction I first had to Buschur Racing was value. No one gives you more for less. That is very important to me in this super over inflated market. There is absolute ***-raping going on out there in the import parts community. Even coming from aerospace (very expensive), I can in no way except the exaggerated prices being charged these days for auto parts... and that is just what they are! The fact that Buschur has stayed "on top of the hill" racing these engines for so long spoke well also. When I get my affairs in order, he will get my money because he can provide me with exactly what I want (less a little intercooler fitment issue ). Now I'm along in years (mostly miles), and I'm tired of driving modified street cars that behave like modified street cars. I'm ready for a modified street car that drives like an OE car and I don't want to give up the Evo. I can't find any tuner that can offer me a Turbo Porsche killer in such an OEish package, not only in performance, but appearance. For average Joe Evo owner, I've yet to see anyone offer a better package for the dollar.

***I edited to keep on topic***

 

Why doesen't MP5 have a lifetime ban?

 

Not yet.

Let's stay on-topic here and for get about his interjection. IF he had read the thread he would have seen the topic was already discussed. He is banned from this thread so, please continue on.

 

Woah... this turbo kits is awesome from what I read so far. For the price and performance gain, I say it hell of a deal. How about the AEM EMS? Are you guys going to offer it with the turbo kits and have it pretune based on the mods? The only difficulty that I'm sure alot of us will experience is getting the car tuned after we have the kits intalled. I'm hoping that a complete turbo upgrade (that includes whatever parts neccessary for achieving 400whp) will be less than 4K or around 4-5K range. If so, I think there will be alot of 400whp with buschur's turbo running around the street daily. This will ultimately making the EVO a true legend in the American car enthusiasts. The main reason why the MKIV is so popular bc most of them are 400whp street cars. Keep up the good work and I'm going to take out a huge school loan for this kits. Peace...

 

Cool, glad you are guys are keeping the stock motor for now.

Actually I think it would be more relaistic if your results were done with a s-afc or dynoflash as 99% of people are not going to want a AEM EMS for their daily drivers.





Whoever asked, we did 483whp (22-24psi)on a AWD dyno on 110octane, NOT 91 octane.

 

cool got a dyno sheet?

 

"we did 483whp (22-24psi)on a AWD dyno on 110octane,"-----RnR . I would love to see the dyno graph , so would a lot of other ppl !

 

i could have saved an hour of my time if weren't for the bull**** that's been beatin to death. all that you bashers are doing is discouraging people from posting and reading posts. who gains from that? NO ONE! less info. available, less people getting it, less people buying, less need for forums, less need for products, less need for tuner cars. thanks to BR (and all others out there who trying help the consumers) for researching, developing, and testing, these products and providing useful info. about them. all you bashers feel free to FOAD.

 

I'm sure they are going to offer the BR475 with a Buschur flash... as you say, it will appeal to a much broader customer base. I fall in the 90% of people who will never want to deal with the AEM EMS on my daily driver... esp when it seems the flash is good up to at least 450whp...

 

What is going to set you back with staying with the Flash of hte ECU is the Amount of air that can flow and be read via the MASS air. With the BR475 you will be damn close to over flowing the Mass air. So Dave is trying to get the most power out f the BR475 and he also need something to insure he can tune on the fly while trying to get good numbers with the 475. That is why he is using the AEM. I wonder if he is still useing the Mass or did he go Speed Density via the AEM? If he went Speed Density yes the turbo will spool faster, and make more power than a stock mass.

 

With the potential difference of 75 HP between the pump gas tune and race gas tune, I personally would go with the AEM EMS with different maps for the race fuel.

Thats just me though,

Keith

 

Of course the "MASS air" is going to come in to play here... and it seems to be "tapped out" around the "450whp" realm. I'm sure all of us would like to have a car that would lay down 500hp or more. However, having a standalone installed is going to be "the line drawn in the dirt" for the majority. Most will either not want the headache, or be able/want to afford the expense of one.

 

For what its worth, if you want to stay with the stock ECU (Flashed) and eliminate the MAF restriction, there's two options out there that I'm aware of that will allow you to remove the MAF sensor and use a pressure (MAP) sensor instead. Neither is cheap since the cost of one of the products is approaching that of a standalone. (MAP-ECU) Basically the products I know of function like the old HKS VPC.. Essentially in function, you hook it up like an S-AFC, it intercepts the stock MAF values, then once its programmed, you remove the MAF sensor and it uses MAP and RPM reference to supply a squarewave (Karmann) value to the stock ECU..

I **WOULD** Like to try this.. basically it would in the end remove a potential restriction, it would more or less function like a S-AFC (with little or no compensation curve so you have room to do tuning) and you can run the flash on a stock ECU without a MAF..

Although this is VERY offtopic.. I wanted to point out that we do have options.. And I'm waiting for Dave or Jarrod to tell me they have a few turbo units to ship (Spoke to Jarrod on thursday when they were dynoing their turbo kit) so I can get one out here.. You have no idea how many different products I've tested and I always end up going back to, or choosing Buschur products.. That says alot!

 

How much is the ignition system? I want to have four coils too.

 

Dave's "guesstimate" is $1,100.00 to 1,300.00 But you will never blow the spark out! (tym says this is the same style system they use on the 7/8 second DSM car...)