18k and counting daily driven. Zero shaft play.

 

thanks for all the info. i'll be waiting to see what fp says and then make a decision on where to go from there rebuild jb red, or bb red or bb black? driving the stocker is fun but being a little over 100hp i'm down from the red does suck. took the car to the track this past weekend and ran11.96@113.64 car ran perfect,( thanks to Boostin Performance and Devin Schultz, who by the way was their with is "Red Demon" making 5or 6 passes and every one was a mid 8 sec pass) my driving not so great, i want my red back

 

Nicely done, unfortunately we are not all so lucky. I also had one of the first FP Red turbos that did not come with their "must have"oil line. It went on my car roughly Aug-08; I had it on the car about 2.5 months before I deployed for a year
that October and put the car in storage. I was then home about 2 months and then deployed for another year(car back in storage) Jan-10--Jan-11. I then proceed to get the car retuned as I moved from KS to FL and wouldn't you know...shaft play . So needless to say I am WAY out of the 1 year warranty window even though the car/turbo had barely 5 months and 3000 miles of dd time on them... NO Track days and NO Auto X. When I explained this to FP they told me that the failure was due to the fact that I didn't have their high flow oil line... yea, I guess I missed the memo while I was too busy getting shot at I mean seriously, after 6 months of dd... really dude... really. Anyway, they offered to give me a deal on the cost to fix the turbo and when I got it back I sold it immediately. Hopefully that dude is having better luck. Now this isn't a slam against FP as I have seen plenty of vendors brand new parts fail right out of the box. I am just sharing my experiance vs. Ginglingston11's.

I'm still waiting to see what these BB's really do over time. I have a kind of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me bias going on. But as I said above nothing is bullet proof, these will all fail eventually regardless of the oil you use and the amount of boost you're tuned for. They don't last forever.

 

I absolutely agree nothing lasts forever, but I'm still gonna ride the wave while it lasts. It's very unfortunate what happened in your case. In your case id imagine it's pretty tough to prove you were deployed. If FP bent the rules for you then they would have to for everybody. If FP sent you a new turbo or fixed it for free I'm sure you would post on here what a great company they were for standing behind there product. You already mentioned they gave you a great deal on the rebuild. As mentioned here before more than 50% of the EvoM community probably has FP turbos. As soon as these guys get wind of your experience with FP they might try the same. It's unfortunate FP can't take your "word" for it

I'm in the same boat. I wanna upgrade to a BB Black but when I see the life expectancies outta these turbos and most importantly, when I have to. I can't sit here and say the BB don't fail, they do, I just haven't seen even a 1/4 of the BB like the JB. So I guess I'm still stuck on the BB Black for now

Btw thank you for your services

 

Actually it's not at all difficult to prove where I was and how long I was there. I even I had all my receipts from when I bought the turbo to include all of my storage documentation as I used a commercial facility. But once the folks at FP said what they Could and Could Not... Would and Would Not do for me it just really wasn't that serious. I just chalked it up as a learning experience and washed my hands of the whole deal. I am sure I was one of many guinea pigs in FP's whole trial and error process just as another member mentioned in a previous post. I look at it as being no different than anyone who was one of the first people to buy the GTR-35 or ZR1 when they first hit the streets… sometimes there are bugs. No Harm, No Foul… this is just MY JB FP Red story

 

11.96@113.64 LOL Dude you should be some ones pro race car driver. I cant even compete with you. I dont know how you do it. Thats seriously CraZy! Its like you have an automatic or somthing.

 

Why would people think that mobil 1 kills turbos?

 

You drive 25k to 30k miles a year? Wow!!

 

I put 88 miles on my EVO IX w/ a Black JB - last year. Sorry some of us don't daily our EVOs.

 

My 84mm JB Red lasted 18k miles...used amsoil dominator racing oil and z rod when it came out, latest fp oil line, fp actuator...bearing gave out and the turbine wheel hit the housing loosing a fin...don't even think I'm gonna send it out for a rebuild...sure is a nice paper weight though.

 

Any BB Fp red owners with feedback and mileage on their turbos?

 

so i've been driving the bb red for a week now pretty much same tune and theres a little diff, off boost but i'll have to drive it a while to really see differences. car sounds a little different. lets see how long this thing lasts?

 

interesting reading through this thread. thinking of getting a Red. if i could get 70k out of it id be stoked considering i put maybe 5k on my car per year!

 

I know it's hard to really get a feel from this thread on how reliable/unreliable our turbo is since it's only 5 examples of failures out of thousand or so units in the wild.

3 out of the 5 lasted on average 46K which is way longer than they would have lasted if they were manufactured wrong/poorly.

2 were under 5K which even then with a turbo spinning at 125,000RPM under load that's a lifetime for a turbo to live if it has a manufacturing defect. Anything we could screw up during manufacturing would cause the turbo to fail almost instantly. Imbalance would cause it to fail within 500 miles, not screwing something down would kill it instantly, using the wrong size/type bearings 100 miles if you're lucky, contamination from build process you'd be lucky to get around the block, so you see if a turbo last 1,000+ miles the chances of it being a manufacture defect greatly decreases. Not to say it doesn't happen but we have yet to deny anyone a free repair for something we did even if it did survive longer than a year.

-Michael