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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 10:51 AM
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On a brand new part.... Brilliance
Thats what has me upset.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gsrboi80
On a brand new part.... Brilliance
on a new CASTING... yes. As I showed in the GTX3076R example.. its rather common.

You'll be fine, so don't stress. The time you took to type this gripe all out, you'd have been done with the scotchbrite by now, and having the turbo ready to mount to enjoy..... until you put a filter over it, that is...

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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OP sounds like a Macs user. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :}
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
on a new CASTING... yes. As I showed in the GTX3076R example.. its rather common.

You'll be fine, so don't stress. The time you took to type this gripe all out, you'd have been done with the scotchbrite by now, and having the turbo ready to mount to enjoy..... until you put a filter over it, that is...
What you don't understand is those parts are machined that's not a cast finish that's a problem with their machining process. It's not the casting at all. It's a bad part off the machine. No excuse.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 02:03 PM
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What you don't understand is those parts are machined that's not a cast finish that's a problem with their machining process. It's not the casting at all. It's a bad part off the machine. No excuse.
Umm. No, I'm afraid you're mistaken. the Standard compressor cover that FP uses on their HTA series is a ported shroud Garrett housing part number 786644-1.

That is a cast housing in which only the "machined" portion is on the back contour of the splitter blade and by the inducer. That's the same one that FP uses for their HTA series. So they take that standard housing, and "machine" to allow for the HTA profile to fit specifically for that turbocharger. This has been done for many years.

You're looking at the entry way into the shroud area. that area is part of the cast and set to a machined finish. Not machined from FP themselves from scratch.

Kinda like this GT3586HTA here that i had powder coated



I then hand scotch-brite and polished the inner portion of the inlet and shroud area.

The M24 marking on the ones that haven't been taken off is a casting number to show what aluminum is being used. That's why the look a bit nicer than your average T3/T04E stuff.

You to a fully machined piece that size and that turbo wouldn't just cost $2230, it would go WAY higher than that, my friend

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 02:20 PM
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I'm on talking out of billet. Those sections that he's complaining about are machined at some point by someone. If FP gets them like that and doesn't look at them, or sends them out regardless, that's a bad business practice.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 02:37 PM
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I'm on talking out of billet. Those sections that he's complaining about are machined at some point by someone. If FP gets them like that and doesn't look at them, or sends them out regardless, that's a bad business practice.
Ok. Now you're not making much sense. There's no mention of "billet" anywhere in my previous statements. Again, the OP asked about the housing itself, its NOT made of billet, and is a Cast standard housing in terms of the areas he felt were "unfinished". That casting simply has a cleaned up inner lip, that FP doesn't perform, and is part of the standard cast GT35R part number. If you order a housing yourself it'll come looking like I showed. There is no "machining" on FP's part other than than reprofiling the back part of the cover volute for the HTA wheels to fit within specifications. That's it. Not complicated

I won't belabor the point. we can simply agree to disagree, just so it stays nice. ok?

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:27 PM
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surprised they haven't chimed in on this thread yet
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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surprised they haven't chimed in on this thread yet
why would they?.. Leaky oil, bad cartridge, multiple e-mail / phone calls, sure. This is an aesthetics issue of little consequence. I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying if I'm FP I'm not putting my name on that part. Regardless of whether they macined it or not. I don't care if it affects performance. It looks sub-par. I'm not calling out FP for the machine work. I understand your point on it being Garret or whoever they contract it to.
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Old Apr 6, 2014 | 07:05 AM
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I dont see the problem here.......so its not fully polished, blinged out in the center. Big deal. The turbo is a beast and wont let you down.

Id take an fp turbo with a rusty compressor cover over other turbos anyday.

Dont get me wrong, I like things to look nice and all, but I just dont get the big complaint here, thats all.
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Old Apr 6, 2014 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
why would they?.. Leaky oil, bad cartridge, multiple e-mail / phone calls, sure. This is an aesthetics issue of little consequence. I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry.
For one, it is a customer who just spent about $2300. Maybe its small change for some folks, but that's still a good amount of change. Its a purely cosmetic defect, but it is a defect nonetheless. I mean, it almost looks like oxidation starting to form. Why or how the company decided it is ok to ship them out like that without cleaning them up, idk, but at the very least a disclaimer when you purchase them ahead of time with maybe an option to clean them up for a fee as well.
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Old Apr 6, 2014 | 09:32 AM
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For one, it is a customer who just spent about $2300. Maybe its small change for some folks, but that's still a good amount of change. Its a purely cosmetic defect, but it is a defect nonetheless. I mean, it almost looks like oxidation starting to form. Why or how the company decided it is ok to ship them out like that without cleaning them up, idk, but at the very least a disclaimer when you purchase them ahead of time with maybe an option to clean them up for a fee as well.
Don't give them any ideas...
The last thing we need is more added options on FP turbos
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Old Apr 6, 2014 | 10:12 AM
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Don't give them any ideas...
The last thing we need is more added options on FP turbos

lol
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Old Apr 6, 2014 | 10:27 AM
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For one, it is a customer who just spent about $2300. Maybe its small change for some folks, but that's still a good amount of change. Its a purely cosmetic defect, but it is a defect nonetheless. I mean, it almost looks like oxidation starting to form. Why or how the company decided it is ok to ship them out like that without cleaning them up, idk, but at the very least a disclaimer when you purchase them ahead of time with maybe an option to clean them up for a fee as well.
Because its a cast unit that falls within a mass-customization standpoint. And MANY of the most efficient turbocharger manufacturers in the world will easily ship something like that. You guys have to get into the real world here of manufacturing costs and cosmetics. There's no oxidation forming because cast aluminum doesn't contain the iron needed for actual oxidation to occur.

There's no need for a legal disclaimer involved in an aesthetic item, because it doesn't fall within the legal definitions of a manufacturer or design defect, when its purely and strictly a cosmetic issue that a little hand polish and pad can solve. So no, its not "That big a deal", despite the cost of a turbocharger. There are plenty of multi-thousand dollar items that are sold and utilized even in Formula 1 that aren't "so pretty".

FP and many other companies are in the job of making a good product for a good price. In many cases, they are made for the masses in which every unit being super shiny isn't the case. Because some units sit in a bag on a shelf.

What's next, your name individually etched on the backplate with an included plaque of authenticity? Is this a turbocharger or Sy Young baseball card? Its a piece of automotive equipment , Ladies and gentleman, and although reasonable means can be made to improve the look of it, in the end, it goes into a car that has lots of other 'not so attractive' parts in it.. Plain and simple.

Its not oxidation, its not machining defects, it just someone who wanted a final polish on an interior lip when assembled. In the end, it won't change anything, because the majority of the users put a protective filter over the very area the OP is upset about, to protect the very $2300 investment that we claim this turbo is. Therefore its never seen. If you want them individually hand polished to perfection, simply be prepared to pay more money, and set it on your mantle next to your Faberce' Egg below your Monet' for all to admire.

Next people will be complaining that the center section gets rusty brown after a couple of months of use, and a manufacturer's defect claim should be made for that.

I'm not trying to make fun of people here, really.. but in the area of BIG issues that can be part of either the user or manufacturer's fault (let's face it, people LOVE to point fingers when something goes wrong in America ), you gotta pick your battles. This honestly, isn't one that has the merit to fuss with when the solution is really that simple. without getting the company involved.

I mean wow... just... wow..

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