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Old Jul 28, 2019 | 10:17 PM
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We went 180 in the 1/2 with a 6466 in a full weight car. 2.4LR with an Oring'ed Head making 860whp and 680wtq. They work just fine when done correctly
And we went 7.78 at 181 in an auto dsm with nitrous and a 8385 revving to 10,700 rpm in the quarter with copper orings in the block. So like i said to each is there own.
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Old Jul 29, 2019 | 09:12 AM
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And we went 7.78 at 181 in an auto dsm with nitrous and a 8385 revving to 10,700 rpm in the quarter with copper orings in the block. So like i said to each is there own.
You qualified it with "I guess" as if to say it doesn't work. When it clearly works perfectly fine. Lots of ships do it both ways because both ways work. Or maybe you should call up English Racing and tell them "to each their own, I guess" since they offer a head Oring'ing service.

The head is much easier to have it done to if you don't have a local machinist that can can do it. Shipping a head is ~$75 vs over $200 for a block.

Really either way is doing the same exact thing, just from the other side. And once beyond a certain level, step decks and or receiver grooves become required anyways.
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Old Jul 29, 2019 | 10:14 AM
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You qualified it with "I guess" as if to say it doesn't work. When it clearly works perfectly fine. Lots of ships do it both ways because both ways work. Or maybe you should call up English Racing and tell them "to each their own, I guess" since they offer a head Oring'ing service.

The head is much easier to have it done to if you don't have a local machinist that can can do it. Shipping a head is ~$75 vs over $200 for a block.

Really either way is doing the same exact thing, just from the other side. And once beyond a certain level, step decks and or receiver grooves become required anyways.
You read into things like a pissed off girl looking to start a fight. Your opinion isnt the standard rule of the land and whether you want to accept it or not your way isn't the only way to do things. There are always more than one way to skin a cat and its not a pissing contest.

I guess i should just call up my friend/tuner Jake Montgomery (evil_eagle) and tell him hey bud some guy on the internet said you that your 20+ years of building and tuning 4gs is wrong even though you've build one of the most constant and reliable dsms on the planet.

English racing is very knowledgeable and im not knocking what they do. But i tend to listen to the guy that isnt backed by a shop and that built and tuned his car in his garage at his own housing that doesnt have massive financial backing from sponsors and does what he does out of pocket. Cause when its on your dime you stick with what works.

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Old Jul 29, 2019 | 01:18 PM
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I don't read in to anything. I took at face value exactly what you said. And now you're backpedaling. Never did I say your method was wrong, yet here you are again saying what I do is.

Both methods clearly seem to work. And I'm not sponsored by anyone. I build this stuff in my garage on my own
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Old Jul 29, 2019 | 05:36 PM
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I didn't backpedal anything. Backpedaling would mean that I retracted saying copper O-rings works and then agreed with your method which I don't. I've seen too many cars with head gaskets that leak because of o-rings in the head and would not recommend that nothing to anyone. And will stand by that statement over and over again so maybe you need to look up what the definition of backpedaling is because I have yet to retract anything I have said.

I've seen you make numerous post on this form where you seem to think that the way you do things is superior above everyone else and you degrade or come with this superiority complex to people that don't agree with you. Bottom line my knowledge comes from a guy that put a dsm into the 7s on an 80mm borg turbo, 4 2150cc injectors, e85, and on a stand alone aem v1 ecu to boot. We know how to make things work

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Old Jul 29, 2019 | 06:30 PM
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I didn't backpedal anything. Backpedaling would mean that I retracted saying copper O-rings works and then agreed with your method which I don't. I've seen too many cars with head gaskets that leak because of o-rings in the head and would not recommend that nothing to anyone. And will stand by that statement over and over again so maybe you need to look up what the definition of backpedaling is because I have yet to retract anything I have said.
Like I've said TWICE now, both methods work. Because you've seen it have problems doesn't mean much when many others have done it successfully.

OP, if you do a 64 block, just make sure to Oring it. Doesn't really matter if it's the head or block, it just needs done. I do the head because it's easier for me with the machinists I use.
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