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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 11:35 AM
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Catching Rubber in 2nd

I recently replaced my clutch per my sig, below, after roasting it - yes, my fault so don't start that thread here, thanks.

I've been damned gentle with it to get it good and broken in. Apart from a way different clutch point (way up by the firewall), it's rather similar to stock. It's a pinch difficult to moderate but livable.

Anway, to the point of the topic.

The other day I left a stop in a hurry and hit 2nd gear hard. My tires didn't techincally spin but they DID scramble for traction for a split second. They're OEM's with good life left and it was an 80+ degree day on decent blacktop.

My point is that this never happened with the stock clutch - at least to me. I wasn't flooring it and slamming the clutch pedal free but it was an aggressive shift. My first thought was that the grip (clamping force) of this clutch being so superior to the stock clutch, is that the stock clutch would actually slip some with an aggressive shift into 2nd. This idea scares me a bit. I mean, slipping the clutch from a stop to work on a launch is one thing, but if the thing slips during an aggressive upshift - that sounds bad.

Anyone else getting rubber shifting into 2nd with few mods and an aftermarket clutch?

How about any with a stock clutch?

I'm not looking for conjecture here, I'd like to hear real-life experience.

Thanks!
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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I did it with the stock clutch a few times, but now it slips hard on hard shifts.

Don't worry about the clutch slipping, it's saving your drivetrain. :-)
Now that you have a good clutch in there, you might want to take it easy on the hamfisted shifting...or burn 2nd really hard. That feels nice.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 12:21 PM
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i ripped my 2nd gear once but it was cold outside so the ground gave loose for a second. your clutch is a stage 3 is it triple disc?
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOSTEVO
i ripped my 2nd gear once but it was cold outside so the ground gave loose for a second. your clutch is a stage 3 is it triple disc?
Nope, just better clamping force with Kevlar, as well...
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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...waiting for a "damn, destroyed 2nd gear now what?" thread
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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I have been running the ClutchMaster Stage 3 on my car for close to a year now and it does bite really hard when it is new. It will smooth out once it seats into the flywheel. I also removed my clutch line restrictor which makes a huge difference in the shifting. The clutch will grab instantly instead of gently as the stock one did with the restrictor in. It really depends on how hard you shift and how soon you get back on the throttle. If you time it just right you will be back on the throttle the instant after the clutch engages. If you jump the gun and get on the throttle an instant to soon it will cause a hard shift and tend to break the tires loose. Quick, smooth shifts is the way to go as hard forceful shifts tend to set off the knock sensor for that split second.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bpclements
I have been running the ClutchMaster Stage 3 on my car for close to a year now and it does bite really hard when it is new. It will smooth out once it seats into the flywheel. I also removed my clutch line restrictor which makes a huge difference in the shifting. The clutch will grab instantly instead of gently as the stock one did with the restrictor in. It really depends on how hard you shift and how soon you get back on the throttle. If you time it just right you will be back on the throttle the instant after the clutch engages. If you jump the gun and get on the throttle an instant to soon it will cause a hard shift and tend to break the tires loose. Quick, smooth shifts is the way to go as hard forceful shifts tend to set off the knock sensor for that split second.
Interesting on more than one note, thanks. I didn't remove the restrictor, I thought I'd continue to leave her as stock as possible for a bit longer in case of any warranty issues. It bites hard enough now with it in.

My point was I NEVER cut the tires loose in warm/hot weather with the stock clutch.

I've gotten some Service Engine Soon lights of late - one or two came before the new clutch - and I've not had them read to find out what they were. One or more has just been during normal, sane driving, mostly at highway speeds... why would it set off the knock sensor of all things? Thanks...

Oh, and I'm not a whiner about what I did to my damned car, thanks very much. If I trash a gear or transfer case, it's ME that did it not Mitsubishi. You'll notice I didn't join in any "WTF is my clutch dead?" threads when I (mostly intentionally) did in my stock clutch... but thanks for your input, ColinL ... *eyeroll*
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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Speedshifting?
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 07:15 AM
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Speedshifting?
Define? I'm sure the throttle was headed down hard when I released the clutch in 2nd...
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 07:19 AM
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Same as WOT shifting.
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 07:22 AM
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... nope, didn't keep it floored through the shift ... but I'm certain I had the r's raising aggressively when I shifted ... *shrug* ... I'm still trying to figure out whether anyone's gotten rubber shifting into 2nd w/the stock clutch. I'm maintaining that it's too weak or soft or whatever and slips... ?
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Old Jul 1, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
I did it with the stock clutch a few times, but now it slips hard on hard shifts.
There, now I said it TWICE.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
...or burn 2nd really hard. That feels nice.
... not sure what you mean?
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 10:51 PM
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Spinning the tires in second gear is, for lack of a better term, NICE. :-)
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