Can the turbo timer option work if I didn't install the remote start question?

I just got it installed today w/ no remote start option can the turbo timer still work?

 

i have the top of the line which is pretty much the same thing as the viper 791. the alarm already has a built in turbo timer. you just need to read the instructions on how to activate it with your remote.

 

Yes, you need the remote start option installed to take advantage of the turbo timer feature. Most places won't install the remote start on 5-speeds because of liability issues. If they do, more than likely the won't warranty the installation. Speaking of which, I just wired up mine a few hours ago. It's a pain but it the convenience is a plus. A couple of things to keep in mind are either disabling the clutch safety switch and fabricating your own neutral safety switch. That's if you want peace of mind knowing if you leave your car in gear it's not going to walk itself into a wall, garage door, or into another person or car.

 

you can do it on that alarm, but that is doing 75% of the auto start anyway. the only thing more, that you would need is a bypass for the imobilizer chip, and connecting a few more wires to get the car to start. you don't need to bypass the imobbilizer chip if you eant the car to just run, not start. but the labor involved in doing this, you might as well get the rest done. as for liability concerns for the alarm shops, most of the time you can get an installer to do it for you under the table, maybe on his day off. make a deal. i know it's not good practice for alarm shops, but most installers will do it for a fee.
Disclaimer: the following is not instructions:
Buy alarm "over the counter from a shop- it's usually pretty cheap.
Find a capable installer w/ experience installing your type of alarm.
It will probably cost you about $100-$150 to get done
also, you should leave a small tip, then next time, he'll drop what he is doing to help you.

 

so wouldn't it be easier if I just bought a turbo timer?

 

I'm looking at having the viper 791xv installed (with remote start...I really want it) and I have an HKS turbo timer already installed. The turbo timer is in the ash tray (very difficult but trick install) so I don't want to lose its function and really want it to work in concert with the viper alarm. My installer says that he needs the wiring diagrams for the turbo timer but I bought the car with it in there and don't have them. Can anyone help me out?? I really need the diagrams for this turbo timer. Thanks.

 

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I'm out of town right now. I have a diagram, pics and a write up I pulled from a miata forum for the neutral safety switch on my home computer. And for the clutch safety switch, it's just like the hood pin. It supplies a ground when at rest (not depressed) and when you step on the clutch it breaks the circuit with ground to disengage the safety. The easy way out is unplug it and leave it unplugged and out of the way of the clutch pedal. Or put a relay in to act just like the pin switch. I also have the write up for that.

All of this information sits on my home computer and if you're interested in it, I can e-mail it to you when I get back from out of town. In the meanwhile you can do a search on google and you should be able to find them both. If not, I'll send you the bits of information I have.

You take two springs and make two mounting posts in-between the shifter. Electrically isolate the two springs from the posts. The only metal contact the two springs should have is with the shaft of the shifter. When you move the shifter in either foward or reverse direction, it should break contact with either spring... The way the Viper alarm works, is that for the neutral safety input wire REQUIRES A GROUND for remote start to work. It should be the black wire w/ white stripe. Anyway, you connect that wire to one of the springs. And you get a T tap and tap into the hand brake wire and connect the other end of the wire into the other spring.

So what happens here is that, if the hand brake is down, it won't remote start. If the shifter breaks contact with either spring, it won't remote start. if anything in this assembly breaks, it won't remote start unless for some strange reason the wire leading to the alarm finds its way to ground. This is practically failsafe. I won't say 100% because there's always that slight chance of whatever. But this method is the most reliable I've seen so far on any forum.

It's also a good idea to wire a switch in line with the neutral safety input just to have an added measure... The last thing we want is someone hurt or something broke because you forgot it gear or whatever...

As for the HKS turbo timer, I recommend removing it. especially if you just had the handbrake wire grounded instead of tapped into the handbrake wire like you're supposed to. With the turbo timer, other members have tested that it's easier to have your car stolen if you leave your car unattended while the turbo timer running...

Personally it's one less thing in the car to be stolen. Or one less thing to contrbute to the car getting stolen or someone attempting to...

On top of that, the 791xv already has a built in turbo timer feature. it's usually listed in the manual under (short-run) or turbo timer mode. It's preset to 1min but can be changed in 1min intervals with the bitwriter. In most cases if you ever watch the auto mode on your turbo timer is that, 1min is usually all you need. It may just up to 4 or 5 min after driving on the freeway, but after you get off and sitting at a couple of stop lights or whatever, it'll be well under a minute by the time you get to your destination.

Anyway, this is just my two cents on all of this...

 

EVO MR FU... It depends on what you want. Did you want some form of deterence, a turbo timer or both? If you don't care much for the alarm, just get a turbo timer. If you want the alarm, invest in that and do the remote start portion yourself. If not, find someone to do it for your. But I'd only recommend that if you take all the safety precautions to make things as safe as possible and to avoid future unconceived headaches. But if you don't want to take that chance, I have a HKS turbo timer and MT-6 harness I'm willing to let go of... PM, post or both, if you have any questions...

 

Here's what I cut and pasted from another thread... Like I said, I did it the easy way by disconnecting the clutch safety switch... Here's the way it could be done without permanently bypassing any safety features of the vehicle.

and in case you are doing a remote start, and need to bypass the clutch temporarily, what you need is a 12V 5pin relay -

cut one of the two wires (either one, doesn't matter) on the clutch harness, connect one end of the cut wire to pin 30, the other end to pin 87a (NOT pin 87). 85 will be your remote start trigger and 86 is a fused 12V.

This way, you don't need unplug that harness so that you can start your car anytime without the clutch in. You car will start without despressing the clutch ONLY when you do a remote start.

As far as neutral safety is concern, I bought a magnetic non-contact switch from radio shack - they are normally use for doors. Tie one at the bottom of the rod and and the stick other one just below it. with some clearance in between. Ground the switch. Make sure you test the switch so that it's only opened when you are in neutral.

 

LINK TO HOMEMADE SAFETY SWITCH

http://www.carsound.com/UBB/ultimate...286;p=1#000019

 

thanks for the advice, but I will be getting an apexi tt and leavin the viper alarm as it is now.

 

Yeah... There's no problem with that but, word of advice... Don't leave your car unattended when the turbo timer is running... Someone tried to jack my friends EVO earlier this week like that... Busted up his steering column and everything... Just be careful and put your TT somewhere discreet like mycre8n... Best of luck... BTW, if you're interested I have an HKS type 0 and MT-6 harness I'm looking to sell... If not, maybe you know someone who might be interested. Thanks....

 

Got waaaay overcharged to put in a Viper 771xv (close to $700). I wanted the 771 'cause it has all the features of the 791, but a smaller remote. I don't really need the LCD screen to tell me which zone is violated if my alarm goes off. No matter what zone, I'm going to go look. I had to do the remote start part myself. That was kind of a pain, but it all went ok once I finally figured everything out. Unplugging the clutch safety switch and having that solve the clutch safety problem was a nice surprise (that that's all it took). Other than that I've had some headaches.

Still have the problem that the alarm won't arm with the turbo timer running. (HKS turbo timer that I love and don't want to do away with). The remote start works great (I don't have a neutral safety switch rigged yet though...think that I'll likely use a magnetic switch under the shifter column as mentioned...that makes the most sense when you look at our shifter...the spring idea is good but I don't think our shifter is electrically isolated, like that Toyota or whatever it was)).

I can remote start and the alarm stays armed. But when I shut down and the turbo timer is running, the alarm won't arm until it shuts down. BUMMER. Back to the shop soon to have the installer (they have a LOT of installation experience there...that's why I went there) think this one out.

Also, the doors unlock automatically when I remote start...LAME!!! And yes, I reprogrammed to have the doors only unlock with the remote, etc, but for some reason they unlock anyway when I remote start the car. This needs to change.

Next, the damn flashing parking lights (and brake light) when the car is remote started is really annoying. Reprogrammed to the no-flashing mode and it still flashes. Meticulously reprogrammed several times to the no-flashing parking lights and even tried programming to the flashing mode. No matter, they flash when the car is remote started no matter what I do. That's gotta be changed.

My roof has some new loud and really annoying roof creaks since the install (though I must say the install was done really well and very professionally) and then I dinged up my tint with my keys while testing the glass-break sensor. The sensor works, but now my tint is dinged up on both driver's front and passenger's front...what a dumbass I am sometimes.

Finally, there is a LOT of static, shocking me with a pretty good spark every time I get out of the car...girlfriend noticed it too, shocked her...this seems like a new condition since the alarm install though I cannot imagine how in the heyll that could be caused by the alarm.

So overall, the Viper is ok....DEI makes all models now so Viper is as good as any and they bought Clifford and all that, so I think Viper is a good choice. It's a pain to program (stupid logic for programming) and there really isn't full control as I'd like.

PLEASE TELL ME: if anyone knows how to get the alarm to arm while the separate turbo timer (HKS in my case) is running.
if anyone knows how to get the doors to stop unlocking when I remote start.
if anyone knows any other tricks to try to get the parking lights to quit flashing and just stay solid (or even off is ok, but I want them to flash when the alarm triggers) when I remote start.

Thanks guys!!

 

Man i gotta get my alarm in my car...

 

I took out my HKS Turbo Timer after I found out the 791 had its own timer feature, but i can't seem to get the timer feature to work. Anyone know the correct way to turn on the timer feature? I must be reading it wrong from the manual or something so maybe someone can explain it better to me. Really appreciate any response here. Thanks.

Kareem