No, your staring right at it... it is an illusion of color.

 

The crash bar is there. If it was not there you would see that the whole screen part would be silver.

Derek

 

can u take the crash bar off and will the bumper still be sterdy on the car

 

Not too wise though...

 

yeah but my stock one looks like this:

a new stocker was like 800 bucks: compared to this:

which was significately cheaper, i'll try and plead it out w/ the warranty if it ever becomes an issue.

As if the crash bar question is refering to mine? then yes, i still have the stock crash bar in. i don't have the undertray at all cause it got munched in a minor accident along w/ the lip and the stock intercooler. i have a new tray but can't install it w/o the lip. i am getting a gialla front though so i might have to take off the crash bar.

 

Az3ar, just wanted to let you know that I was looking into the Injen kit. It looks great, but its NOT a Bar and Plate. I looked them up on the web and called them direct. The rep told me that it was a Tube and Fin. He also told me that in order to install the kit I would have to cut my bumper cover at the bottom (not the undertray). He didn't know what the actual core size was and I didn't want to make him look so I ended up with only this information.

Thanks for the info but I'm leaning towards the Nisei intercooler when it comes out next month for $695.

 

This one has my interest too...

 

i think everyone is being ridiculous... if you take raw facts into mind you can't think the ams is good... the end tank design mimicks stock... enough said, if it's proven great... still... end tank design is questionable... so that already throws out a huge portion of the market.

buschurs does have a pressure drop that he even advertises because he's proud that it's low. the design is well though out... but it's a made in house piece which will come with made in house quirks like fitment and welding.

i was a fan of turboxs but now i HAVE to wonder why the niseiengineering video chooses to put it LAST on teh list of ic's... it has the same length as buschur same description low density blahblah but somehow ends up on the BOTTOM of the list... wtf? is it cuz it's the one that is priced most like the niseiengineering piece?

i have to say their inner fin design is brilliant but their cooling tube design comes in big numbers at the cost of cooling tube SIZE. if the cooling tubes are the same size as the transfer tubes the exchange rate is 1 to 1... this is bad... on a hot day your transfer tubes will get hot and there's no way your cooling tubes will be able to keep up on a 1 to 1 ratio... you need your cooling tubes to be TALLER so that there is always a resevior of cooling. hence if you look at the core design for turboxs as well as buschur and many other cores... this is all been thought out and sorted... the cooling tubes are generally two times the size of the transfer tubes. you can skin the cat two ways. a lotta the same sized cooling tubes or the PROPERLY SIZED cooling tubes.

larger cooling tubes also means more flow through the intercooler means more flow to the radiator. and there is SOMETHING not said here... the first half of the video keeps advocating louvres and ****, what they're not telling you is although that kinda stuff increases cooilng efficiency and capacity it inhibits flow... there is no such thing as no pressure drop. no pressure drop is a straight pipe and if you read buschur's review on how that worked out you'll notice it's an 32 hp decrease (or something like that). there's a lotta the other side of things that we're not getting here and i'm tellin' yah... there are FEW good intercoolers out there.

i keep thinking that turboxs has the best design but now i find out that their fins are straight and not louvred... that's ok... less pressure drop... less cooling efficiency but maybe i can live with that. buschur's does fine with not fin louvring. my only beef wtih buschur's is that it's hand crafted... end tanks aren't cast (yeah i'm THAT picky). but i'll tell yah... that **** is proven... have you seen robi's br ic? two fat dents in the bottom and it keeps tickin'... crazy old man.

ALSO keep in mind that the video put greddy's r spec ic in for the final score up... which is prolly more fair... cuz their v spec is a piece of hi flow no cooling crap. also keep in mind they didn't tackle the almighty ARC.

they also don't tell you how much weight is added to the nose... allthose tubes... gotta weigh something!

i will admit that some of the engineering aspects of cooling tube height can be circumvented by tube length....

 

Ditto.

I didn't notice if anyone ever answered if requires cutting the under tray. I don't see any mounting tabs on the bottom, so I'm guessing that it does.

 

AMS rip off

 

Buschur produced a intercooler do to the high demand for not cutting the undertray... there are a lot of people that need to stay SCCA legal (among other regulatory entities), and cutting the tray kicks them out of certain classes.

 

So can you guys tell me what intercooler kits do not have to cut the undertray assembly?

 

O.K. this much i can tell you about the turbo xs. i do not have the under tray on right now cause i have no lower lip and the undertray attaches to the lower lip. However. the turboxs fmic is fluch w. the botom of the bumper cover so i don't think any cutting of the tray will be neccessary.

 

XS engineering.

 

Well fellas, I've learned alot, thanks! I know I'm going with bar & plate for sure. I think it will be the Nisei intercooler unless, you all can tell me where I can get a Bar & Plate fmic that works goooooooooooood, for under $695 and I don't mean $694 lol.

Who's got the best deals online for a Bar & Plate I/C?

PM me or post a link.

Thanks guys!