Idea: Put together a petition for a 2.4 (4g64)motor
Jan 20, 2003, 10:01 AM
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No doubt, the 4G64 is almost as old as the 4G63. If anything, there might be a future for this new 2.7L that's supposed to come out.
I'm divided on this issue. I like the idea of a bigger motor, because we as Americans don't have to worry about 2.0L ceilings imposed on cars. But because WRC rules dicatate that there be an upper limit, I'm also biased towards the side of tradition and having an engine that tuners on BOTH sides of the pond have the ability to work on. Having two engine familes on the same car might eventually pit them against one another, making one car dominate and the other languish. I think if you have a sports car in your line up its best to keep things as simple as possible.
I'm divided on this issue. I like the idea of a bigger motor, because we as Americans don't have to worry about 2.0L ceilings imposed on cars. But because WRC rules dicatate that there be an upper limit, I'm also biased towards the side of tradition and having an engine that tuners on BOTH sides of the pond have the ability to work on. Having two engine familes on the same car might eventually pit them against one another, making one car dominate and the other languish. I think if you have a sports car in your line up its best to keep things as simple as possible.
Jan 20, 2003, 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Turboniam
Where did you get this information?
Where did you get this information?
While they have never actually uttered the words "the 2.4 is dead" the writing is definately on the wall.
When the 04' Galant debuts this fall it will have the new 2.7L motor as will the Outlander and some versions of the Lancer (Ralliart and AWD Sportback). That leaves only the Eclipse as a user of the 2.4 and that car will switch to the new Galant platform (and engines) with the 05' model year.
That leaves 0 applications for the 2.4 after 04'.
Jan 20, 2003, 10:42 AM
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yeah that whole no replacement for displacement...its tru only if you have more then 4 cylindars. you can only make a 4 banger have soo much displacement..if you make it have too much then you will have too long of a stroke, have a very low redline, and will be blowing out your drivetrain everyday since it will be a torque monster.
2.4L = bad idea
sure you might be able to squeeze a little bit more power out of it but your drivetrain will be hurting.
the 2.2L stroker kit for the 4G63 would be the better way to go. 2.4L is just a little bit too much IMO.
2.4L = bad idea
sure you might be able to squeeze a little bit more power out of it but your drivetrain will be hurting.
the 2.2L stroker kit for the 4G63 would be the better way to go. 2.4L is just a little bit too much IMO.
Jan 20, 2003, 03:25 PM
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I drive a first generation WRX.
I haven't really contradicted much of what Claudius said. Just that you can't really say which vehicle has a stronger tranny at this point because the STI's is all new and people haven't gotten the chance to really beat on them to see at what point they break. Also, I know full well that the EVO can be modified to make plenty of power. I was just saying if Mitsubishi wants to compete on the showroom they'll have to up the displacement because of emissions.
The Subaru crank issue was just information from the question he posted. It's true, just take a look at one.
Everything is very stout, and very close together. If you hear of a Subaru crank failure it's generally due to something else, bad tuning, lost oil pressure, etc. Generally the pistons or rods in a Subaru engine are what goes, usually #3 cylinder. It's last on the fuel rail, and is thus most prone to run lean and detonate. There's fuel rail mods to fix that though. If the Subaru engine is tuned well, it can handle very large amounts of power, just like the 4g63. I've heard of 600+hp EJ20's and EJ25's, and 600+hp 4G63's. The potential is there for both of them.
I haven't really contradicted much of what Claudius said. Just that you can't really say which vehicle has a stronger tranny at this point because the STI's is all new and people haven't gotten the chance to really beat on them to see at what point they break. Also, I know full well that the EVO can be modified to make plenty of power. I was just saying if Mitsubishi wants to compete on the showroom they'll have to up the displacement because of emissions.
The Subaru crank issue was just information from the question he posted. It's true, just take a look at one.
Everything is very stout, and very close together. If you hear of a Subaru crank failure it's generally due to something else, bad tuning, lost oil pressure, etc. Generally the pistons or rods in a Subaru engine are what goes, usually #3 cylinder. It's last on the fuel rail, and is thus most prone to run lean and detonate. There's fuel rail mods to fix that though. If the Subaru engine is tuned well, it can handle very large amounts of power, just like the 4g63. I've heard of 600+hp EJ20's and EJ25's, and 600+hp 4G63's. The potential is there for both of them.
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Jan 21, 2003, 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by Mark F
MMSA. I've known about this for almost a year.
While they have never actually uttered the words "the 2.4 is dead" the writing is definately on the wall.
When the 04' Galant debuts this fall it will have the new 2.7L motor as will the Outlander and some versions of the Lancer (Ralliart and AWD Sportback). That leaves only the Eclipse as a user of the 2.4 and that car will switch to the new Galant platform (and engines) with the 05' model year.
That leaves 0 applications for the 2.4 after 04'.
MMSA. I've known about this for almost a year.
While they have never actually uttered the words "the 2.4 is dead" the writing is definately on the wall.
When the 04' Galant debuts this fall it will have the new 2.7L motor as will the Outlander and some versions of the Lancer (Ralliart and AWD Sportback). That leaves only the Eclipse as a user of the 2.4 and that car will switch to the new Galant platform (and engines) with the 05' model year.
That leaves 0 applications for the 2.4 after 04'.
Jan 21, 2003, 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by Sweft
I'd rather see a 6 speed transmission and ACD or something rather than 2.4l.
I'd rather see a 6 speed transmission and ACD or something rather than 2.4l.
I will repeat myself again... NO DOUBT Mitsu HAS to bring the 6 speed and diff goodies AS SOON AS POSSIBLE because of Subaru's latest marketing strategy.
I even read somewhere that Subaru is going to be putting the 6 speed in the WRX too... however, we'll see how true that is??
EDIT: To further support the "given" that Mitsu will bring the tranny etc to the EVO ASAP, I read an article in the Feb Motor Trend about the EVO... in it they said the 6 speed would probably be here in a year or two... I say it will take Mitsu only one year if they have any brains at all.
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Jan 21, 2003, 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Turboniam
Good information... is the 2.7 going to be an I4 or 6 cylinder???
Good information... is the 2.7 going to be an I4 or 6 cylinder???
Jan 21, 2003, 11:44 AM
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Mark, good info, but don't forget 
plays on a global scale.
The 2.4l engine will continue for other markets. Also, knowing, the 2.7l you're reffering to is likely a bored out version of the 2.4l, (think 3.5l V6 is now 3.8l V6)
Also, the 4G63 was not intended to come to the U.S., thus it is still possible that the EVO may get a 4G64T next time around. RalliArt used the engine for 2 years in their Paris Dakkar prototypes.(1995 and 1996)
I'm really impatient to see the next gen Galant and the new engine.
plays on a global scale.The 2.4l engine will continue for other markets. Also, knowing
, the 2.7l you're reffering to is likely a bored out version of the 2.4l, (think 3.5l V6 is now 3.8l V6) Also, the 4G63 was not intended to come to the U.S., thus it is still possible that the EVO may get a 4G64T next time around. RalliArt used the engine for 2 years in their Paris Dakkar prototypes.(1995 and 1996)
I'm really impatient to see the next gen Galant and the new engine.
Jan 21, 2003, 01:02 PM
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I would stick with the WRC Regulations and keep the 2.0L Turbo. Rally cars are 2.0L not 2.5L. ACD/AYC and six speed are enough. Imagine you bought an STi and you wanted to rally and they said "nuh uh" that motor is too big." Wouldn't that suck?
hee hee.
hee hee.
Jan 21, 2003, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by evomk8
Mark, good info, but don't forget plays on a global scale.
The 2.4l engine will continue for other markets. Also, knowing, the 2.7l you're reffering to is likely a bored out version of the 2.4l,
Mark, good info, but don't forget
plays on a global scale.The 2.4l engine will continue for other markets. Also, knowing
, the 2.7l you're reffering to is likely a bored out version of the 2.4l,
Jan 21, 2003, 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by s4awd
I would stick with the WRC Regulations and keep the 2.0L Turbo. Rally cars are 2.0L not 2.5L. ACD/AYC and six speed are enough. Imagine you bought an STi and you wanted to rally and they said "nuh uh" that motor is too big." Wouldn't that suck?
hee hee.
I would stick with the WRC Regulations and keep the 2.0L Turbo. Rally cars are 2.0L not 2.5L. ACD/AYC and six speed are enough. Imagine you bought an STi and you wanted to rally and they said "nuh uh" that motor is too big." Wouldn't that suck?
hee hee.
Jan 22, 2003, 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by GPTourer
I doubt it. The 4G64 is used primarily in the U.S. market. I think Australia is the only other place it shows up in a Magna or Verada. Everywhere else uses the GDI's and usually 2.0L's or smaller. The 4G64 is a bored out version of the 4G63. There isn't enough room in that block to get to 2.7L. This is likely to be an all new engine.
I doubt it. The 4G64 is used primarily in the U.S. market. I think Australia is the only other place it shows up in a Magna or Verada. Everywhere else uses the GDI's and usually 2.0L's or smaller. The 4G64 is a bored out version of the 4G63. There isn't enough room in that block to get to 2.7L. This is likely to be an all new engine.
uses the engine in the Delica Space Gear (L300) series of vans , the Chariot Grandis (Space Wagon, Nimbus...), and a few others globally. The Magna/Verada hasn't had a 4G64 for several years now.It would be great if
developed a brand new engine block family, but I question the cost effectiveness for devlopment. Especially given the upcoming new global engine. I'm probably gonna end up eating my words...