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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 05:22 PM
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"I disagree. What's wrong with wanting it all?"

Nothing, go buy an Audi S4, the Evo is a bare bones Rally type vehicle. And Mitsu dropping the ball is a personal opinion, I dont know too many people that dislike the Lancer interior, for the Econo car it is it is very nice.

Oh and by the way, 99% of car magazines and me would agree the 350 Z interior looks and feels cheap.

I said it before and Ill say it again, If you dont like the Evo, dont *****. Go buy a different car. Its the beauty of economics. That way, I wont have to pay as much for one.
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 05:48 PM
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I disagree. What's wrong with wanting it all? The WRX is $25K , fast, and has a nicer interior. The 350Z is fast and has a nicer interior. I would have rather paid a little extra like $33K-$35K and got an overall blistering fast yet feel good inside car. There's no reason it couldn't have been designed better even with ****ty materials. I think they just dropped the ball.
If I could afford a $33K-$35K vehicle, I would be going for an '03 Cobra. I know the Mustang is an American Piece, but those supercharged Cobras can be really fast with a few mods, and speed is what I like most. I think there would be quite a few less people buying the EVO if it sold for 35K, that's just too much for a Lancer IMO.
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 06:42 PM
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A 350Z is a $35K car but everyone seems to think it's a steal at that price. I don't think the interior is cheap. It has a nicer design and overall feel to it. Some of the handles and compartment doors are cheap but very minor in comparison to the overall interior make and feel.

I think some of you are getting the wrong impression. I am NOT comparing the interior or price to an econo box Lancer. This is an EVO forum and thread. The Evo is a $30K car. So if you can afford an Evo then you can afford a Cobra as you implied. For a $30K car the Evo has sub par interior. Yes it is a pure race bred car. But there's obvious comparisons out there with better designed interiors. I love the Evos always have. I'm just saying it could've had better interior. Not once was I in a rant of complaint. I never said I didn't like the Evo and I wasn't *****ing. To imply so is a sign of immaturity. I was simply stating an opinion that you felt inclined to attack.
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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A 350Z is a $35K car but everyone seems to think it's a steal at that price. I don't think the interior is cheap. It has a nicer design and overall feel to it. Some of the handles and compartment doors are cheap but very minor in comparison to the overall interior make and feel.
I've spent a little time in a new 350Z lately and if you think the interior is nice then you need to sit inside a bmw or even an acura for that matter. The plastics and leather (inside the z) are the cheap variety - and I just want 5 minutes with the jack@ss who decided it didn't need a glove compartment. Regardless, the new z is a wonderful car to drive.. Especially if you've never driven an Evo not that my ~8 minutes count of course

Interiors can be deceiving, I remember thinking the c5 vette interior was nice, but its very poorly put together...
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 09:17 PM
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I've spent a little time in a new 350Z lately and if you think the interior is nice then you need to sit inside a bmw or even an acura for that matter. The plastics and leather (inside the z) are the cheap variety - and I just want 5 minutes with the jack@ss who decided it didn't need a glove compartment. Regardless, the new z is a wonderful car to drive.. Especially if you've never driven an Evo not that my ~8 minutes count of course

Interiors can be deceiving, I remember thinking the c5 vette interior was nice, but its very poorly put together...

I agree with you for the most part. I've owned a 97 Supra, own a 2002 Prowler, and used to have a Corvette. The 350Z doesn't have interior to match the first two. BUT in comparison to the Evo, which is solely what I'm comparing it to it's nice. The design is nice and most elements I think are nice. I hate BMW interiors so I won't go there. Their leather sucks and the design on most of their cars isn't worth the heavy price tag.

I got to drive a Z that was broken in and punched it. Interstingly enough the rumors are true that the power is not felt. Either the power band is so linear that no force is felt or I'm too used to more powerful cars. It really didn't feel like much. Still a nice ride though.
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 10:43 PM
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I hate BMW interiors so I won't go there. Their leather sucks and the design on most of their cars isn't worth the heavy price tag.

You uh ever drive (I mean really drive) a BMW?

Best handling RWD sedans period, worth EVERY penny IF you can afford them
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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Heres my thought, and Im sure some of you older members will agree. If your worried about the look of the dash or interior, the Evo is not for you......
I thought I was considered one of the older members. Anyways, I disagree. I don't care a hole bunch for the Evo's interior design however, I do strongly believe the Evo IS the car for me.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 12:50 AM
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You uh ever drive (I mean really drive) a BMW?

Best handling RWD sedans period, worth EVERY penny IF you can afford them

I still disagree. The M3 is a very nice car. Worth it's weight in gold? I don't think so. I got my 97 Turbo Supra at the same time my friend got his 97 M3. Not only did we both prefer the Supras interior and leather. (Main gripe about BMW is the leather seats are rock hard.) But the Supra out accelerated and out handled the M3. Now the new M3. Actually IS nice on the inside and outside. BUT at over $50K it gets smoked by a Z06. Not in the lavish interior dept cuz Chevy just sucks at interiors but overall performance. I can think of many cars that outperform the Bimmers dollar for dollar. The Evo is one of them.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 08:42 AM
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Redesigning the interior of the Evo would NOT have made the car any faster. Making the interior out of more plush material would NOT have allowed the car to handle the corners any better.

These changes would have only made the car heavier and more expensive.

When Mitsubishi went out to make these Evo's, they only made changes that funtionally helped the car perform at a level that would allow it to be an effective competitor in professional Rally racing series around the world. Interior redesigns do not do this.

I don't think most people would be willing to pay an additional $3-4k for an upgraded interior. Most of us are performance minded.....we care very little about the cars interior. We are not very image conscious. So we don't care if the cars interior is not fitting for a $30k car.

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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 09:03 AM
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Not like everyone is going to rally their EVO, but (being that rally is the evo heritage) when prepping a car for rally, the whole interior is ripped out anyhow.....are we looking for performance or comfort?
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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Believe me I understand what you're saying. I've loved the Evo since I can remember it. Way before Gran Turismo. I know it's a pure bred race car which I have stated before. Many times I have not said anything about making it more PLUSH or more COMFORTABLE. I simply thought the design of the interior could've been more up to date. As it is it looks like the inside of a car I used to have back in the 80's.

Another thing you are not realizing is that although the Evo is a work horse Rally car. The street legal version is meant to be a daily driver. Mitsu will want to appeal to a larger market in order to help their sliding sales. Thus a nicer interior would've helped this. It won't detour me from getting the car. I want the car for it's performance and it's capabilities. But it will be my every day driver. So comfort would be nice.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 01:00 PM
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The interior is awesome compared to it's successor
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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Another thing you are not realizing is that although the Evo is a work horse Rally car. The street legal version is meant to be a daily driver. Mitsu will want to appeal to a larger market in order to help their sliding sales. Thus a nicer interior would've helped this. It won't detour me from getting the car. I want the car for it's performance and it's capabilities. But it will be my every day driver. So comfort would be nice.
Actually their sales have increased every year for the last few years in a row.

The Evo is not meant to appeal to a large market. If it was, Mitsu would be making tens of thousands of them. They are only bringing 6k to the US this year....for performance enthusiasts, not comfy cruiser enthusiasts.

If comfort takes importance over performance in a car you are looking for, I'm afraid the Evo is probably not the right car for you. The seats are hard, the ride is stiff, the cabin is very loud, theres no cruise control.

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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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M3 worth it's weight in gold? I don't think so. I got my 97 Turbo Supra at the same time my friend got his 97 M3. Not only did we both prefer the Supras interior and leather. (Main gripe about BMW is the leather seats are rock hard.) But the Supra out accelerated and out handled the M3.
I agree it does out accelerate the M3 but it does not out handle it

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I can think of many cars that outperform the Bimmers dollar for dollar. The Evo is one of them.
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Dollar for dollar aside I stick to my guns: best handling RWD sedans period and it's not just about numbers! It's about feel and quality. Isn't that what this post is all about?

If the controls feel good (good seat, wheel, shifter, brakes, clutch) THAT's ALL I NEED the rest is just slowing you down
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 01:39 PM
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I still disagree. The M3 is a very nice car. Worth it's weight in gold? I don't think so. I got my 97 Turbo Supra at the same time my friend got his 97 M3. Not only did we both prefer the Supras interior and leather. (Main gripe about BMW is the leather seats are rock hard.) But the Supra out accelerated and out handled the M3. Now the new M3. Actually IS nice on the inside and outside. BUT at over $50K it gets smoked by a Z06. Not in the lavish interior dept cuz Chevy just sucks at interiors but overall performance. I can think of many cars that outperform the Bimmers dollar for dollar. The Evo is one of them.
You can disagree as long as you feel like, but that is not going to change the fact that E36 M3 is one of the best handling RWD car around here (E46 are still to prove themselves). The Supra that you have mentioned will outpower the M3, but it will never catch it in the twisties. You can't make a pig that is 3400+ lb to handle as 3000 lb car whit 50:50 weight distribution. I have to race against both cars and so far with bunch of different drivers, Supras where always behind the M3s and it will stay there!!


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