Yeah....Thats pretty clever....that thing you said about my name. What is this elementary school? Regardless of you little attempt at a personal attack, your posts was filled with no fact. Since when is a video game considered a quality source for car information?

You probably also think the 1/4 mile times and hp/tq ratings in GT3 are pretty accurate, don't you.

I do have positive things to say on this board. But bs is bs....and when you are spouting it, I'll call you on it if I choose.

And I will reply to your threads whenever I well please.

SC~

 

Hailz!

I encourage all you Lurkers and Noobs to post and ask questions. Just ignore the Chimp-like ******* that try to intimidate you with their massive knowledge. I learned alot from reading and posting on this forum, as well as some others, but I will admit, this forum seems to have an above average percentage of big mouthed know-it-alls... We can just ignore them when they troll with their smarty-pants posts. I know I will from this point on.

PS.. Hello moderators... how about getting some civility on these boards? Some of these threads are down right embarrassing to read through.

 

Actually all transmissions have torque ratings from the factory. Some are published (T5's, T56's, T45's), and some are not. This is not an outrageous question as people need to know the limits if they are going to mod the car. Even though the information was obtained from a video game it is correct. Everybody relax.

Mike

 

So did the game give an evo a torque rating for the trans? I'm interested to know.

 

I kinda go along with this. But I think you'll only find out about this when dealing with domestic AUTOMATICs, for the most part. Even when dealing with the transaxle out of my FWD Pontiac, I came across a couple figures for the its maximum torque capacity. But when dealing with import five speeds, I doubt you'll find a reliable figure, especially not from the manufacturer, especially since a stronger clutch can easily raise that number to an extent. Such modifications aren't so easy in an auto.

 

Hailz!

Actually, No. The MotorCityOnline game only has Domestic cars from around 1927 thru 1973... and it listed the trannies by Mfg., Model Name, and a few other variables including weight and Torque Rating. It also included some aftermarket parts built later than 1973. It does have the "T" series but I quit playing it last November and can't access their database any longer.

 

There was no info posted from a video game....so how could it be correct?

I encourage anyone who is motivated, to try to go find an officially published torque number for a Japanese car trans.....and by doing that, prove me wrong. I bet you can't find one. I have never seen that type of info officially released from any Japanese manufacturer.

People around here don't purposely pick on newbies, that I am aware of. Look at my member number.....I have one of the higher member numbers. I'm pretty much a newbie too. IMHO, it's just that newbies are more likely to ask questions that get under peoples skin....and those are the questions that people will flame over.

alienate....Remember, I have never called you a name. I have never attacked your character. You are the one throwing around the personal attacks. And by doing that YOU are the one in violation of this boards membership agreement.

SC~

 

Im sorry to say so but this is just another stupid question going on too far. What do you attempt to do with a torque rating? Do you care when a manufacturer tells you not to modify your engine? no, so do as you please and pay the price later. If your tranny explodes then you'll deal with it. Auto racing in every form will go through many trannies in a season, even if they stay within a so called "torque rating". One of the ways to protect a transmission from damage is a clutch. the'y're designed to slip, that;s why manufacturers install weak clutches in there. we all know that were gonna eventually swap the stock for an upgraded one. Then you will shock the drivetrain with more snapping torque. Full smooth delivery of power is not what breaks a transmission, its the full shock received when hit with abussive engagement. pay the price for going fast. that's it.

 

Dear Mr Chimp,

The concept in the video game that every transmission has a torque rating is true. Every manufacturer tests their transmissions for durability and how much power (torque) they can handle. As I stated on some cars like a Honda Accord it's no published but it does exist. Maybe only with the engineers. On a Mustang it both exists and is pubished because these cars are often modified and more powerful. It's a matter of matching the tranny to the proper application (power level). It is published for muscle car transmissions so some poor bastard doesn't try to mate a T5 up to his supercharged and stroked 351. In that application a T56 would be more appropriate based on the TORQUE RATINGS of the transmissions.

Mike

 

Stupid question? What are you talking about? Torque rating on the trans give me an Idea on how much power the transmission is able to take. That's all i wanted to know and what wrong with that?

I guess no one knows. Oh well, i was hoping so shop manual from the tech training has this info.

Just tell me why is it stupid to ask how strong my trans is compared to my old mustang? I know shocking you drivetrain will break and that was not my question. What's wrong with this picture?

On the mustang board ppl suggest the number of splines for what torque and what trans while doing a 6 grand dump on MT slicks. Why do some people here feel this is a stupid question while its an import one?

 

"On the mustang board ppl suggest the number of splines for what torque and what trans while doing a 6 grand dump on MT slicks. Why do some people here feel this is a stupid question while its an import one? "

Because the import crowd doesn't do things that way. Because the import manufacturers don't publicly post such numbers.

This is not a domestic site....you are not comparing apples to apples when you use "domestic this and domestic that" arguments.... the fact is, we don't have the interchangeability with regards to engines, trans, and gearing combos that the domestic guys do. So torque ratings are not important to us. We know we'll run into clutch wear/slip before having any mechanical issues with the trans.

On this site, you will only hear about personal experience relating to the capabilities of a specific trans. But in this forum, the forum for the Pre-arrival of the US Evo8, we have NO experience....the car isn't even released yet.


Gtr, I wasn't originally trying to shoot down your question. I was attempting to clarify a badly worded question. Maybe I did it in a less than candy-coated way...so be it.

I think maybe your question was better suited for the Evo Tech board? Maybe if you ask it, you could specifically target Evo VII owners in Europe or jp....they are the only people in the world who have real world experience to answer your question. But they aren't going to be able to open a book and cite you a number. They'll let you know how fragile or robust the system is with regards to the mods they have done.

SC~who thinks superz is right.

 

I agree this should be in the tech forums. Maybe i'll find out sooner or later.

 

Suppliers of transmissions to OEM's most certainly have a torque rating. This is becuase the same transmissions are used in many different applications and the OEM's have to know that the transmission will be strong enough to cover it under warranty for any given application. With any car, the torque rating for a transmission may be much higher than the output of the engine, or may be just very close. This overall relationship determines how much the transmission will take from the engine mod wise before it will have to be beefed up. I believe that the torque rating on the 5 speed transmission in the EVO is actually higher than that of the 6 speed JDM one, so, the overall durability of our domestic transmission should be better for modding.


So, the question is very valid.

The clutch has nothing to do with the torque rating of the transmission, as it is not a part of it. The clutch has a rating of its own that is similar to brakes. Clutch testing is not near as critical as transmissions due to the HUGE investment required from suppliers to design and market a new tranny.

Torque is torque is torque. No matter how it applied. Something has to give when the engine is engaged to the driveline. Either the clutch slips, the tranny breaks, the diffs break, the wheels slip or the car moves forward. Abusing a 4 wheel drive car is especially hard on it, because the wheels slipping has been taken out of the equation leaving the word "break" or "slip" in.

 

Still, the fact remains that typically, the domestic guys have more torque then we do available at very low RPMs. Their cars tend to be heavier so they have to have beefier drivetrains. The typical RWD auto tranny setup in a muscle car is a lot stronger then a FWD transAXLE in an import. If you ever read Car Craft, or Hot Rod, or any such mag, you'll also notice that a lot of muscle car guys use Ford 9-inch rear ends, even if they are building a Chevy or Mopar. The reason? They are cheap, plentiful and damn near bullet proof if built correctly. There is no correlation in the import world, you are on your own and must find out through trial and error and have a thick wallet. The domestics have been doing it for over 50 years, and these trannys are sold over the counter for vehicles that aren't in production as hop up parts with 12 month 12,000 warranties and are for "non pollution controlled" vehicles. Big difference.

 

I guess I didn't mean stupid, I apologize GTR. What I meant was that even if we did have a rating it will be a low one, this is because manufacturers are looking at it with a durability factor. Even though there may be Hondas out there going down the 1/4 mile in 8 sec, the trannies are very close to being fully stock. Honda may rate them for 170lbs of torque, yet they're handling 500lbs. Its because racers dont care to pay the price and they surely are not looking at leaving that tranny in there for 100,000 miles. Another factor someone mentioned was that imports dont produce that initial low-end hit of torque that a big v8 will. That hit will do more damage since all rotating parts are stationary, hence "HIT". Our cars get a 250lbs+ of torque while were already moving. Torque curves very different-even if the full amount is the same