tryiing to decide between evo or sti
Originally Posted by 3000ways
Interesting, in your case I would say the EVO is the better choice. Why because I believe the EVO will offer you more of what it seems like you are looking for.
But before we go any further, let's stop and correct one myth- The STi is all around a more powerful car, not exactly true. While on paper it does look as it has a definite advantage, it just isn't adding up on the real world stage. The EVO since 2003 has obviously been underrated and every year it seems to get even more underrated (meaning it's getting more powerful, just not on paper). The truth, the STi and EVO ever since 2003 have been putting down similiar dyno numbers. While I admit that stock for stock the STi had an advantage over the 2003 and 2004 RS and GSR models, this is not the case for the 2005 and MR models.
The EVO is the better car to mod right now, and that seems to be something you are very interested in doing. You can run 12s on the EVO with very gfew mods and little money. ECU Tuning (Flash or Piggy Back), Turboback, Intake, MBC, Fuel Pump, and Cams will definitly net you more than 300WHP and put you deep in the 12s. Price for all this, well it can be done for under $2,000. Now the STi is no slouch either, but honestly as of now, it's really no contest in the mod department.
The handling the EVO is better, the braking of the EVO is better, the EVO is just all around a better performance car and it has been proven on the track in the United States (Japan is different, much more competitive) countless times. The EVO in the United States seems to be more closely related to it's JDM counterpart, meaning it's all about the performance, with very few compromises. The STi on the other hand has lost some of it's sharpness and become a bit softer for the US market and therefore the STi is most likely a more comfortable car to live with day to day.
If your looking mostly for performance, than the EVO is the car for you, if your looking for performance with a bit more ease and comfort for day to day driving, than the STi is what you are looking for.
But before we go any further, let's stop and correct one myth- The STi is all around a more powerful car, not exactly true. While on paper it does look as it has a definite advantage, it just isn't adding up on the real world stage. The EVO since 2003 has obviously been underrated and every year it seems to get even more underrated (meaning it's getting more powerful, just not on paper). The truth, the STi and EVO ever since 2003 have been putting down similiar dyno numbers. While I admit that stock for stock the STi had an advantage over the 2003 and 2004 RS and GSR models, this is not the case for the 2005 and MR models.
The EVO is the better car to mod right now, and that seems to be something you are very interested in doing. You can run 12s on the EVO with very gfew mods and little money. ECU Tuning (Flash or Piggy Back), Turboback, Intake, MBC, Fuel Pump, and Cams will definitly net you more than 300WHP and put you deep in the 12s. Price for all this, well it can be done for under $2,000. Now the STi is no slouch either, but honestly as of now, it's really no contest in the mod department.
The handling the EVO is better, the braking of the EVO is better, the EVO is just all around a better performance car and it has been proven on the track in the United States (Japan is different, much more competitive) countless times. The EVO in the United States seems to be more closely related to it's JDM counterpart, meaning it's all about the performance, with very few compromises. The STi on the other hand has lost some of it's sharpness and become a bit softer for the US market and therefore the STi is most likely a more comfortable car to live with day to day.
If your looking mostly for performance, than the EVO is the car for you, if your looking for performance with a bit more ease and comfort for day to day driving, than the STi is what you are looking for.
You are on an EVO site what do you expect? Go to NASIOC and you will get different answers. Before you get wrapped up in the, you can do this to get that much power ... understand that either of these cars are NOT CHEAP to maintain. If you mod the 
EVO you will have no warranty what so ever. That means if your tranny goes out after all the mods you do, you will be paying a large sum out of your own pocket ... brakes are not cheap, tires are not cheap and the up keep on the cars are more frequent. Now that we have that out of the way, do a search on the forum you'll find most of your answers in billions of other threads like this. Drive both cars and decide for yourself, people have different driving styles and different driving preferences ....
EVO you will have no warranty what so ever. That means if your tranny goes out after all the mods you do, you will be paying a large sum out of your own pocket ... brakes are not cheap, tires are not cheap and the up keep on the cars are more frequent. Now that we have that out of the way, do a search on the forum you'll find most of your answers in billions of other threads like this. Drive both cars and decide for yourself, people have different driving styles and different driving preferences ....
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I personallly like the way EVOs look especially my RS. Better handaling, and it is not because of our stock tires. DSM motors have been around forever so although there is a limited amount of EVOs in the US, you can get used replacement parts or mods fairly easy. engine doesn't blow at 400hp. a few thousand makes you an AWD ZO6 with a better 0-60. better resale. only 3500 of every model made. sti looks just like all the other WRXs. mitsu's warranty policy sucks. subaru will mod your car in their dealership, for extravegant service charges and probably not to much gain, and will continue to honor their warranty of your car and the parts they just installed. but there is some japan site you can order some mods from and it won't void your warranty. i dunno where it is, but i believe it is through mitsu in japan. subaru watches some track events and will void your warranty if you register your car at the event with your vin or license plate and if they happen to check that event. some people get pictures of their cars in the mail saying they voided there warranty. mitsu might void your warranty for in k&N cone. i guess it depends on the dealrship in how far you can go.
No, The other way around......
In fact it is a scaled down version of teh Evo motor, WAY OLDER evo motor too. smaller injectors, turbo, weaker internals, worse tranny. I mean it is juts Jap parts being shipped to Ill and then it is being put together.
DSM isn't even real, just a joint effort between Dodge and Mitsu.
In fact it is a scaled down version of teh Evo motor, WAY OLDER evo motor too. smaller injectors, turbo, weaker internals, worse tranny. I mean it is juts Jap parts being shipped to Ill and then it is being put together.
DSM isn't even real, just a joint effort between Dodge and Mitsu.
Originally Posted by umiami80
No, The other way around......
In fact it is a scaled down version of teh Evo motor, WAY OLDER evo motor too. smaller injectors, turbo, weaker internals, worse tranny. I mean it is juts Jap parts being shipped to Ill and then it is being put together.
In fact it is a scaled down version of teh Evo motor, WAY OLDER evo motor too. smaller injectors, turbo, weaker internals, worse tranny. I mean it is juts Jap parts being shipped to Ill and then it is being put together.
Originally Posted by umiami80
DSM isn't even real, just a joint effort between Dodge and Mitsu.
Originally Posted by NapervilleEVO
but there is some japan site you can order some mods from and it won't void your warranty. i dunno where it is, but i believe it is through mitsu in japan. subaru watches some track events and will void your warranty if you register your car at the event with your vin or license plate and if they happen to check that event. some people get pictures of their cars in the mail saying they voided there warranty. mitsu might void your warranty for in k&N cone. i guess it depends on the dealrship in how far you can go.
that has been documented going to tracks and voiding warranties ... Do a search on the forum and you will find out. If you do anything to your car not "OKed" by your district rep, kiss your warranty good bye .... Subaru is known to be a lot more warranty friendly, I've heard of Subaru dealerships in my area rebuild trannys on modded cars under warranty ....
Uh, but his point was that DSMs have been here for many years, and therefore, there are many parts available as well as knowledgeable people/vendors who know how to get the most out of the 4G63t.
now it is easier for us to mod Evos with the SAME ENGINE.
DSM was a JOINT VENTURE, that's why the cars were Labled as Mitsu, Eagle, or Plymouth, not DSM cept teh sticker inside stating where it was built. Just a joint venture where Japanese parts were manufactured in the U.S. to keep costs down and there was quality issues too, crank walk. The Dodge Avenger was made there, has the same interior and front end and what about the 420A, is that a DSM? The Later Model Eclipses were made there too, DSM'S?
If it wasn't real, was it fake? I'm confused again...my first DSM went 12.1@113 with all stock internals and a small 16g, yet I see people in the drag forum going bug-eyed everytime someone hits 113mph without cams in a new Evo with a bigger 16g. I'd say my DSM was quite real...
we do that on Pump. We trap at 116+ on pump too, race it gets near or past 120.DSM's are great and I cut my teeth on them, but the 1G/2G has almost nothing in common, the motor is completly different, have you seen a late model Evo Motor
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
I think you got confused bud, Subaru doesn't do that, its Mitsu that has been documented going to tracks and voiding warranties ... Do a search on the forum and you will find out. If you do anything to your car not "OKed" by your district rep, kiss your warranty good bye .... Subaru is known to be a lot more warranty friendly, I've heard of Subaru dealerships in my area rebuild trannys on modded cars under warranty ....
that has been documented going to tracks and voiding warranties ... Do a search on the forum and you will find out. If you do anything to your car not "OKed" by your district rep, kiss your warranty good bye .... Subaru is known to be a lot more warranty friendly, I've heard of Subaru dealerships in my area rebuild trannys on modded cars under warranty ....
Originally Posted by Junkboxer
wutsup guys, i currently own a 04 hyundai tiburon gt. in a year id like to be driving an EVO or STI but im having trouble deciding what i want. dont get me wrong, i love my tib. so sexy looking but ive put soo much money into it and its really not that fast of a car. im leaning more towards the Evo and heres why: i hear the STI stock is overall more powerful than the EVO, but lacks in handling. wereas the EVO has amazing handling. my idea was to buy an EVO and mod it up to be far mopre faster than the STI. does it cost a lot to mod an EVO. It drains my wallet to mod my tiburon. lol its kink of upsetting. ive put os much work into my tiburon, only has 5000 miles and i wanna sell it allready. heres my car btw:
i truly recomend parting the car out. youll probably get more money that way... do you still have the stock parts?
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actually sum1 allrready offered me 15 so willingly and plenny of people in my school are interested. i think ill be able to get 16 or 17 for it. not to shabby at all. and no, most of the stock parts are gone