there're many Z's in the high 13 second range, trapping between 99-101 mph which is very close to most stock evos. trap speed generally indicates the topend of a car and how a roll race will come out. if car A has a very quick time, like the evo's, but traps at the same or just above the speed of a signficantly slower car like the Z's, that would mean the Z would have to make up the speed difference at some point in the quarter mile, i.e. start pulling on the evo near the finish.

as far as roll racing is concerned, there's no need for your condescension. i'm certainly not the one with a problem understanding correctly, since the original poster asked:

the evo is simply not a good highway/topend racer. taking away the launch from an evo, which a roll race does, would definitely compromise its effectiveness as a speed demon.

edit: i'm talking about stock v. stock, of course. i dont' know much about the auto Zs, so i may be wrong in that respect, but a manual Z should pull an evo from a roll.

 

I don't think you understand correctly. Z = 14 second car, Evo = 13 second car. That is a second worth of distance. I wonder how this "roll" race works. It's like there is a league of people who think their car is fast because it can win from a "roll". Where are these roll racing tracks?

from a dead stop, its a second worth of distrance assuming both cars are driven flawlessly.....line both cars up at 60 mph and stomp on it and its alot closer than you think witha Z vs an 03 or 04 Evo (not sure about an MR or 05 Evo as I have not played with one) - this is with the 6 speed Z..not the auto.

Auto's are also not always slower...usually but not always

Magazine and internet racing aside, from a dead stop, the Evo, even badly driven, kills an auto or manual Z. At speed, its not the cake walk most here post about (several Evo kills under my belt to verify it!)

Adam

 

Heyyy no ragging on the Z!.... i have one, but yet i am gonna trade it in for an Evo. Dont get me wrong the 350z looks waaaaaaaaay better then the Evo, no offense guys... but id rather have the AWD, turbo already there, and sooo much easier to get it going faster ($$ wise)

 

Comparison using 2005 cars and the 350Z Enthusiast version to get the Auto option.

350Z | 350Z Enthusiast Auto | 2005 Evolution VIII
Power: 287@6200 | 287@6200 | 276@6500
Torque: 274@4800 | 274@4800 | 286@3500
Weight: 3188 | 3210 | 3263 (how is your Evolution VIII soo heavy? The JDM spec is about 3100lb)

So from that comparison the Evolution VIII has a little bit more weight (also depends on what version of Evolution VIII and 350Z) and a little bit less power (Do you guys still get a detuned version?). BUT it has more torque and maximum torque is at lower rpm, both of which are good for a race from a low speed. Assuming that both cars are in the same (or comparable) gear to start with then I don't see any reason that an Automatic 350Z (taking into account the losses through the transmission which probably almost negates the power difference) would keep up with an Evolution VIII, it shouldn't get completely left behind but it shouldn't be able to keep up.

In real life I can't say for certain.

Aston

 

booo. how about it in the real world? i would like to see how many z owners can launch their car faster than an awd evo.

no contest from the stop racing, i don't care if you have 12 gears.

6 speed is slower than 5th gear anyways. Unless you're gonna start doing a mile race.

but I like 350z. Like I said, it's a sexy beast. but it's slow, stock or modded vs evo stock or modded... especially modded evos.


By the way. don't magazine race. that's sad...

 

I never really understood this. I would never "race" anyone by saying "I will beat you because the magazine says so" because that would depend on how well I could drive. I would actually do it and see how badly I get beaten.

BUT to compare 2 cars (at least to get an idea) and remove the driver factor what is wrong with a magazine test (The cars tested (usually by the same driver) from a standing start and a roll? Not everyone can afford or is lucky enough to do the test themselves. That is the whole point of the magazines anyway, to give people an idea of how cars compare so they know which one best suits them before they spend a lot of money.

Aston

 

I Evo are heavier than JDM ones due to the fact that the US has more stricter crash requirements and emisisons equipment..

 

Evos trap at 100-103mph stock right? Zs stock trap at 99-101 as well. That seems pretty close pulling up top at near 100mph if you only look at those numbers.

The problem is we don't know for sure which car pulls at what speed in which gear and speed range. To settle this someone needs to go on the track, and use a computer to time 30-120 or whatever range the two cars are supposed to race at. Do enough repeated testing to eliminate driver variables and get a statistical average of "roll" performance and then compare notes. The two cars don't ever even have to meet each other. (Assuming everyone can be professional and not lie)

I for one will not spend the money and time on the above, but the internet racers might want to get together and do some tests so all the speculation ends.

 

I used to own a 350Z, now I own an Evo. There is no doubt that the Z was fast, but it's not nearly as fast as my Evo.

Evo>350Z

 

I dont understand why people even compare them... the only similarity is the price range. One is a performance vehicle and the other isn't.

 

dont forget the spinners

 

I dont mean to 2nd judge you or anything like that but I am yet to be beat by a 350 in any situation. Thats b4 and after mods. *note* not trying to be "bigheaded" just speak from real life situations. I have a buddy that bought a 350 because its "sexy" as he states.
Anyways we run them alot, be it straights, twist, high speed runs so far I have never lost to him. The problem is unless your twin turboing it up to new skyline specs (btw new skyline uses 350's power plant) then the 350 is all looks. Im not trying to bash on the 350 (sorry Rob if your reading this post ) In all honesty unless you get some serious mods going the stock 350z is all bark, no bite on an evo, sti, or even srt-4 bro.

*ps* if your looking at the new rx-8 its in the same boat as the 350z. Both look, sound and "try" to play mean.

*pss* if my post offend anyone that drives the 350 or rx-8 sorry, im personaly just not impressed by them.

 

That was the best answer yet. Hats off to you.
Take his advice kid, go drive them both see what "you errr you and your parents" like. One is going to feel better to you than the other bro.

peace

 

I own both cars. Trust me, I can speak from experience when I say the evo IS faster. Granted my Z is a vert, but it definitely is slower no question. Realistically it comes down to driver though (stock for stock). My EVO is track-only and I raced against a track-only 350Z at California Speedway with the SCCA. I won Saturday, he won Sunday. Very close both times.

Anyways, what does it matter...some people like EVOs some people like 350Zs. It's personal preference and usually comes down to which one looks better in the eyes of the beholder.

 

I own a Z and i know this for a fact. The 350z isnt the fastest car, but its faster then most. It isnt the best lookn car, but its better then most. It doesnt handle the best, but it handles better then most. It just has everything like good all around... Not the the best in any category, but up there. If you want performance, you go with an Evo. I think they are kinda ugly in some ways compared to the Z... but in some ways the Evo is sexy as hell....
But its more like if you want something that looks fast. Go with the Z. You can make it fast for a crap load of money ($7,200 + 2,500 for install of APS TT, only reliable turbo) Will only get you around 400rwhp. Then spend another 7grand + 1,000 in labor for a bottom end build up and you can push up to 650rwhp. Then u have to do other stuff to exceed 650rwhp... It gets very pricey.
Thats why if you want looks, go with the Z. If you want something that looks pretty good but not as good as the Z, but can woop the **** out of it, go with the Evo.

Which would explain why iam selln my car for a Evo :P.

Dont get me wrong i love the Z. But right now i would prefer a more bang for my buck performance deal.
But my advice like everyone is saying. Test drive it. Only way you will know whats right for you. And id personally suggest not getting the Auto Z. You will regret it.