Works VS Dynoflash
IMO if you are local, I would go to a local tuner because if you ever upgrade etc . . . you can just drive over there and get flashed again with no downtime.
WORKS gets a big thumbs up. I've been using their flash and it works great. If you're really interested in getting more info go to
www.norcalevo.net
lots of reviews on their for the P2.
nebo
WORKS gets a big thumbs up. I've been using their flash and it works great. If you're really interested in getting more info go to
www.norcalevo.net
lots of reviews on their for the P2.
nebo
i can attest to both since i had them on my evo before 
both are good tuning for the evo.
but al has a little bit more of a flexibility since he tunes with various mods and brands.works has flashes for their products line up and its free when you upgrade flash to their product when you stay in their catalog.they can custom tune also but you gotta make a trip up to norcal which would be closer to you since you already live in cali.either way cant go wrong with both of them.
both are good tuning for the evo.but al has a little bit more of a flexibility since he tunes with various mods and brands.works has flashes for their products line up and its free when you upgrade flash to their product when you stay in their catalog.they can custom tune also but you gotta make a trip up to norcal which would be closer to you since you already live in cali.either way cant go wrong with both of them.
I personally liked the WORKS P2 because of the boost control, but everyone has their favorite based upon their own reasons.
Perhaps you should consider talking to both tuners over the phone, understand the philosophy behind their tuning and then decide which one better suits your desires. Listening to the street racer kiddies can be entertaining since they are so emotionally charged, but I think it would be best to figure out what the tuner is really doing so you can make an educated decision on what to go with.
Who knows? After you talk to both tuners, you may decide to skip them both and go with an SAFC2 and MBC.
Perhaps you should consider talking to both tuners over the phone, understand the philosophy behind their tuning and then decide which one better suits your desires. Listening to the street racer kiddies can be entertaining since they are so emotionally charged, but I think it would be best to figure out what the tuner is really doing so you can make an educated decision on what to go with.
Who knows? After you talk to both tuners, you may decide to skip them both and go with an SAFC2 and MBC.
Originally Posted by jansolo
I personally liked the WORKS P2 because of the boost control, but everyone has their favorite based upon their own reasons.
Perhaps you should consider talking to both tuners over the phone, understand the philosophy behind their tuning and then decide which one better suits your desires. Listening to the street racer kiddies can be entertaining since they are so emotionally charged, but I think it would be best to figure out what the tuner is really doing so you can make an educated decision on what to go with.
Who knows? After you talk to both tuners, you may decide to skip them both and go with an SAFC2 and MBC.
Perhaps you should consider talking to both tuners over the phone, understand the philosophy behind their tuning and then decide which one better suits your desires. Listening to the street racer kiddies can be entertaining since they are so emotionally charged, but I think it would be best to figure out what the tuner is really doing so you can make an educated decision on what to go with.
Who knows? After you talk to both tuners, you may decide to skip them both and go with an SAFC2 and MBC.
Originally Posted by HiHeatEVO
FYI...Dynoflash has a boost controlling flash too.
The 200$ flash he is speaking of does not have boost control, but instead boost taper delay.
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If anything, Works' philosophy seems to be geared more to providing a safe, reliable but conservative power increase i.e. they err on the side of caution with boost levels and A/F ratios to give you something much better than stock, without putting you on the edge (BTW I'm not implying that Al's flashes, or anyone else's for that matter put you on the edge). The Work's flash also is just a plug-and-play i.e. it doesn't involve any kind of custom tune. If you have all Works parts or one of their staged upgrades I'm sure this is a good safe option.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
IMO is always best to choose a local tuner, just incase you have issues or are not happy with the results you can always deal with them.
i have seen some other cars put down just about the same if not higher #'s than either flash by running SAFC, MBC and other parts combo. But it involves abit more of money since you end up purchasing other items as well.
Do some research and check whats best
For example you have the Dr. Gray stage 1
which consist of
SAFC 300.00
injectors 400.00
TBE 700-900
Fuel pump 95.00
MBC 50.00
that will put down near 300whp (on 91 octane) 03 evo abit higher on the 05's or any car with the 10.5 hotside.
seen also same results with the Xede 899.00 , TBE 700-900 near 302whp on 91 octane as well.
i have seen some other cars put down just about the same if not higher #'s than either flash by running SAFC, MBC and other parts combo. But it involves abit more of money since you end up purchasing other items as well.
Do some research and check whats best
For example you have the Dr. Gray stage 1
which consist of
SAFC 300.00
injectors 400.00
TBE 700-900
Fuel pump 95.00
MBC 50.00
that will put down near 300whp (on 91 octane) 03 evo abit higher on the 05's or any car with the 10.5 hotside.
seen also same results with the Xede 899.00 , TBE 700-900 near 302whp on 91 octane as well.
well here are my mods and the mods i will have at time of flash and im bout 3hrs from WORKS so i dont consider it close.
-3inch turboback exhaust NO cats exiting out of a HKS Carbon Ti
-AEM intake/HKS filter
-AMS MBC set at 20psi (91oct)
-ACT HDSS Clutch
-255lph fuel pump
-MR DV
-Helix IC piping
-Helix 02 housing
-HKS 264/272s
-3inch turboback exhaust NO cats exiting out of a HKS Carbon Ti
-AEM intake/HKS filter
-AMS MBC set at 20psi (91oct)
-ACT HDSS Clutch
-255lph fuel pump
-MR DV
-Helix IC piping
-Helix 02 housing
-HKS 264/272s
I have the Works P2 and love it. I am aways upgrading with new parts and couldn't afford to get a custom tune every couple months but shipping my ECU to works isn't very cheap either.
Give both tuners a call to see which one floats ur boat.
Give both tuners a call to see which one floats ur boat.
Originally Posted by MTMS4
If anything, Works' philosophy seems to be geared more to providing a safe, reliable but conservative power increase i.e. they err on the side of caution with boost levels and A/F ratios to give you something much better than stock, without putting you on the edge (BTW I'm not implying that Al's flashes, or anyone else's for that matter put you on the edge). The Work's flash also is just a plug-and-play i.e. it doesn't involve any kind of custom tune. If you have all Works parts or one of their staged upgrades I'm sure this is a good safe option.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
Originally Posted by jansolo
Yes, but the ECUTek flash brings you up to same price as the WORKS P2.
The 200$ flash he is speaking of does not have boost control, but instead boost taper delay.
The 200$ flash he is speaking of does not have boost control, but instead boost taper delay.
My $199 through the mail Dyno Flash has complete on board boost control in the factory ecu which can hold the boost at 20 psi
There is no boost pill modification or any mechanical changes needed its all on board the factory ecu
Follow some of the threads on the dyno flash vendor forum for dyno sheets
Last edited by DynoFlash; May 18, 2005 at 03:01 PM.
Originally Posted by MTMS4
If anything, Works' philosophy seems to be geared more to providing a safe, reliable but conservative power increase i.e. they err on the side of caution with boost levels and A/F ratios to give you something much better than stock, without putting you on the edge (BTW I'm not implying that Al's flashes, or anyone else's for that matter put you on the edge). The Work's flash also is just a plug-and-play i.e. it doesn't involve any kind of custom tune. If you have all Works parts or one of their staged upgrades I'm sure this is a good safe option.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
Think of it this way, if customers A & B have exactly the same aftermarket parts (e,g. TBE, intake, cams and flash) and theoretically one is making 30 whp more than the other on the same dyno on the same day it is probably the result of a much more aggressive tune/re-flash.........which may or may not cause you problems long-term.
Originally Posted by HiHeatEVO
i think the works flash is overpriced, or in a better perspective the dynoflash is way under priced. I think when it comes to reflashing ecu's they are both pretty knowledgable. Since dynoflash works almost exclusively on ecu's, i think he's just as accomplished if not more so than Works. I do not have either because i decided to go with a stand alone so I am not waving any flags as a loyal customer or anything.
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Also - just to point out the biggest value of my services is the HUGE libarary of base maps for just about any mod combination you can imagine collected all over the entire USA on just about any kind of suel you can imagine
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