Loving my ROBISPEC setup...
Jun 14, 2005, 12:21 PM
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It depends on how much you value having the right person do the work and tune your suspension--it's an art and Robi knows how to make Evos handle great.
Here are the prices, installed:
You don't think $400 for Espelir GT springs or $250 for a Progress 25 mm SB, parts and installation, are good prices? IMO it's a great price.
I didn't do the fender rolling but he installed a Buschur TBE w/HFC and Magnaflow for me: $830 installed.
My car now handles like a car with great coilovers and that setup would have cost me at least $2500 installed, without swaybar, bushings, bumpsteer and alignment.
This way I can upgrade to coilovers when my dampers wear out and I have the other stuff (swaybar, bushings, and bumpsteer) already done to get the most out of it.
Here are the prices, installed:
- Espilir GT Springs ($400)
- Rear Sway-Bar ($250)
- Rear Bushings ($175)
- Rear Bump Steer Correction ($195)
- Roll Fenders to fit 275 tires ($300)
- Custom Alignment ($180)
You don't think $400 for Espelir GT springs or $250 for a Progress 25 mm SB, parts and installation, are good prices? IMO it's a great price.
I didn't do the fender rolling but he installed a Buschur TBE w/HFC and Magnaflow for me: $830 installed.
My car now handles like a car with great coilovers and that setup would have cost me at least $2500 installed, without swaybar, bushings, bumpsteer and alignment.
This way I can upgrade to coilovers when my dampers wear out and I have the other stuff (swaybar, bushings, and bumpsteer) already done to get the most out of it.
Jun 14, 2005, 12:23 PM
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Unless that swaybar is adjustable, I agree that there isn't any serious tuning involved. Just the alignment. $1200 is a lot for parts installation and alignment, unless that price is for his unique setup/kit/package. But if the car works well then maybe it is worth taking notice.
Jun 14, 2005, 12:52 PM
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The swaybar is adjustable and the thickest one available which is what it takes to dial out the evos understeer and give it the sweet predictable throttle-steer that my EVO has powering through my favorite canyon turns.
Doing the bushings and bumpsteer right takes experience and skill. That goes double for the alignment.
IMO the suspension is the place to start your mods and tuning it is far from bolting stuff on. You can spend your money on whatever you want and I see a lot of guys buying skinny weak swaybars that don't do the job or adding front bars that only make the understeer worse.
Doing the bushings and bumpsteer right takes experience and skill. That goes double for the alignment.
IMO the suspension is the place to start your mods and tuning it is far from bolting stuff on. You can spend your money on whatever you want and I see a lot of guys buying skinny weak swaybars that don't do the job or adding front bars that only make the understeer worse.
Jun 14, 2005, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lbcevo
The swaybar is adjustable and the thickest one available which is what it takes to dial out the evos understeer and give it the sweet predictable throttle-steer that my EVO has powering through my favorite canyon turns.
Doing the bushings and bumpsteer right takes experience and skill. That goes double for the alignment.
IMO the suspension is the place to start your mods and tuning it is far from bolting stuff on. You can spend your money on whatever you want and I see a lot of guys buying skinny weak swaybars that don't do the job or adding front bars that only make the understeer worse.
Doing the bushings and bumpsteer right takes experience and skill. That goes double for the alignment.
IMO the suspension is the place to start your mods and tuning it is far from bolting stuff on. You can spend your money on whatever you want and I see a lot of guys buying skinny weak swaybars that don't do the job or adding front bars that only make the understeer worse.
Jun 14, 2005, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
using a press to push in and out bushings takes skill?
robi seems to be the man around these parts.i haven't read one thing about his set ups being bad.
Jun 14, 2005, 03:56 PM
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lbcevo....cool to see you investing money into your car's performance rather than useless stuff. Robi is awesome..I talked to him for like an hour on the phone the other day and we're plannin out my Evo too, he really seems to be a no nonsense kind of guy. I think his work, and records he has and has helped other guys get speak for themselves. Let these other guys nickel and dime their stuff and go to whatever chop shop they can find. We'll go with the quality!
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Jun 14, 2005, 06:05 PM
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No why? It's just a simple question. What is there to tune besides alignment? Can you answer the question? Form what I see from his list, there are no ride height or spring rates adjustments, no dampening or rebound adjustments, can't be corner weighted. Maybe try different diameter of ARB to fit his driving style? Alignment wise, there are a lot of good and accurate answer in the motorsport forum already and there aren't any hidden magic there neither. So whats left? Really, I'm just curious.
Jun 14, 2005, 07:28 PM
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Yeah, you might be. He has a laser system and his process results in a better alignment than 99.9% of guys with average skills can do on the latest Hunter. He's a great track driver and knows what to do.... Call him and let mim explain it himself, or better yet race him. I'm not trying to sell his stuff to anyone, just thanking him for making my EVO GSR handle great.
I'm heading out now to pull mega Gs in my sweet handling EVO...
I'm heading out now to pull mega Gs in my sweet handling EVO...
Jun 14, 2005, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
$180 for an non-rack with tape measure alignment on stock struts without camber plates?
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
http://www.advancedracing.com/produc...?prod=toegauge
http://www.advancedracing.com/products2.php?prod=string
http://www.advancedracing.com/produc...artcambergauge
and to prove the value of eliminating the rear bump steer I used this to evaluate the total bump steer and then tested the the correct offset for the excentric bushing location.
http://www.advancedracing.com/produc...bumpsteergauge
I can cornerweight a stock strut car but it's such a PITA that I charge more than most people would want to pay (just take the strut off and add the laser cut inserts I had made..your shop/garage doesn't have these? ....and repeat until you get it right). the truth is the stock EVO is so close that the average 2% differance across the front and back with usually less than 1% cross weight differance isnt worth the PITA to "make it perfect".
But I've only set-up 20 evos so I bet there is plenty I haven't seen yet...
(and although I'm an old dog, I CAN learn new tricks...lol)
As far as everything is bolt on you got me there...it's a basic system, one designed to optimize the basic handling of the car and to allow for future upgrades without having to junk the whole system and start over.
But a nice example of why people choose experts to help them and pay "more than they have/need to" . On Seinfeld the soup **** used the same ingrediants but had people willing to pay his prices, put up with his "tude" and stand in line...I have spent more time at the track than most (but by all means not all) and have been very focused on improving the handling of my car. Most modified EVOs at the EVOM shoot out had more power than mine (380 at the ground with a mean miss above 7000 rpm)... handling, weight distribution, the best suspension (DMS50's) and great TOYO tires kept my car one step ahead...I can hardly wait the new Bushur motor just put out 480 whp at 21 psi....see you at the track! (hopefully in my rear view mirror hehehehe).
robi
Jun 14, 2005, 08:17 PM
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<-- Jason from Barstow......
I was wondering when you were gonna show up Robi!!! LOL
I'll be by your shop Saturday for a wheel rotate, balance, allignment. My steering wheel is still shaking like a *****!! LOL What time is good to come by Saturday? Home much money do I need to ask my wife for?
I was wondering when you were gonna show up Robi!!! LOL
I'll be by your shop Saturday for a wheel rotate, balance, allignment. My steering wheel is still shaking like a *****!! LOL What time is good to come by Saturday? Home much money do I need to ask my wife for?
Jun 14, 2005, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by robi
Most modified EVOs at the EVOM shoot out had more power than mine (380 at the ground with a mean miss above 7000 rpm)... handling, weight distribution, the best suspension (DMS50's) and great TOYO tires kept my car one step ahead...I can hardly wait the new Bushur motor just put out 480 whp at 21 psi....see you at the track! (hopefully in my rear view mirror hehehehe).
robi
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