HarmanMotive's Tuning Prices
Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Your without your ecu for a day, overnight out and overnight back. IF i do a base flash ( mail in ) in the parking lot of my place or on the desk, its the same. IF your paying for a custom flash then obviously thats diff. I tuned at harmen a while back, didnt know they got into the flash bus. Even if someone can " tune a car ", the flash software is very diff then any other tuning tool on the market. Its taken some time to master it. It doesnt come with an owners manual on how to tune it, it has no load sites nor rpms sites, and you cant view in real time. Al from dynoflash can attest its not as easy as one might think. Good luck
P.s. im going out to see some people from aem in the fall, if it can wait ill custom tune your car
mark
turbotrix
P.s. im going out to see some people from aem in the fall, if it can wait ill custom tune your car
mark
turbotrix
I hate the Idea of tuning myself but also don't like being chained to a tuner, anyone else going thru this?
Originally Posted by Dave2
i purchase Utec and dyno tune there. Dan tuned too aggressive 12:1 and my injector were max out 99%. I asked him to tune it back around 11:1... he said he can't do anything unless i have a bigger injector or put race gas. when i drove back home that day, i have a lot of knock. At that moment, i have no idea how to tune with utec..and i don't want to blow up my motor. I end up sold the Utec unit. Overall, it just bad experience for me.
Dan tuned my Utec with 91 Octane and AI
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
Originally Posted by ArchieBabes
Dan tuned my Utec with 91 Octane and AI
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
Not trying to pry but trying to get a figure on Expense. thanks in advance
Originally Posted by Dave2
i purchase Utec and dyno tune there. Dan tuned too aggressive 12:1 and my injector were max out 99%. I asked him to tune it back around 11:1... he said he can't do anything unless i have a bigger injector or put race gas. when i drove back home that day, i have a lot of knock. At that moment, i have no idea how to tune with utec..and i don't want to blow up my motor. I end up sold the Utec unit. Overall, it just bad experience for me.
When did this happen?
m~
Originally Posted by ArchieBabes
Dan tuned my Utec with 91 Octane and AI
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
Results: 380whp and 360wtq on CA **** gas with the stock 03 turbo.
11.8 Seconds @ 122mph Quartermile
Check out my dyno graph at their website
http://harmanmotive.com/index.php?sr...os=0,100000,16
thanks
m~
Originally Posted by Dave2
i purchase Utec and dyno tune there. Dan tuned too aggressive 12:1 and my injector were max out 99%. I asked him to tune it back around 11:1... he said he can't do anything unless i have a bigger injector or put race gas. when i drove back home that day, i have a lot of knock. At that moment, i have no idea how to tune with utec..and i don't want to blow up my motor. I end up sold the Utec unit. Overall, it just bad experience for me.
It is true that to go richer you need more injector on time, however, in my experience you would need rather significant mods to max out the stock injectors at a 12.0 / 1 a/f.
Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Your without your ecu for a day, overnight out and overnight back. IF i do a base flash ( mail in ) in the parking lot of my place or on the desk, its the same. IF your paying for a custom flash then obviously thats diff. I tuned at harmen a while back, didnt know they got into the flash bus. Even if someone can " tune a car ", the flash software is very diff then any other tuning tool on the market. Its taken some time to master it. It doesnt come with an owners manual on how to tune it, it has no load sites nor rpms sites, and you cant view in real time. Al from dynoflash can attest its not as easy as one might think. Good luck
P.s. im going out to see some people from aem in the fall, if it can wait ill custom tune your car
mark
turbotrix
P.s. im going out to see some people from aem in the fall, if it can wait ill custom tune your car
mark
turbotrix
Very valid points, however if I absolutely, positively have to get in touch with you to get my car fixed/ looked at/ whatever, then I'm SOL if I'm not in your local area. Actually, I follow both you and Al's work/progress and read each of your's forum's each day. I see the exchanges that take place and as a result I formed my rational for going local. Plus, I want to remain a fan of you both, hell Al's car is on my desktop at work and your car is the screen saver.
peace
m~
Last edited by macster; Jul 9, 2005 at 06:20 PM.
Hey AL what is your Experience with the MAX boost and hold of the stock turbo with Race gas?
Also AL, Not to start a Tuner debate but I would like your opinion On Vishnu's Latest and greatest SMART update to the XEDE.
My question is ; Doesn't the stock ECU already do exactly what the SMART upgrade does?
And because it isnt a set it then mod like crazy and it will tune itself.
Isnt it basically a Flash that has better control of what the stock ECU does already?
In your opinion will the "flash" technology one day produce similar or respected power gains of the Stand Alones?
Also AL, Not to start a Tuner debate but I would like your opinion On Vishnu's Latest and greatest SMART update to the XEDE.
My question is ; Doesn't the stock ECU already do exactly what the SMART upgrade does?
And because it isnt a set it then mod like crazy and it will tune itself.
Isnt it basically a Flash that has better control of what the stock ECU does already?
In your opinion will the "flash" technology one day produce similar or respected power gains of the Stand Alones?
Originally Posted by macster
Mark
Very valid points, however if I absolutely, positively have to get in touch with you to get my car fixed/ looked at/ whatever, then I'm SOL if I'm not in your local area. Actually, I follow both you and Al's work/progress and read each of your's forum's each day. I see the exchanges that take place and as a result I formed my rational for going local. Plus, I want to remain a fan of you both, hell Al's car is on my desktop at work and your car is the screen saver.
peace
m~
Very valid points, however if I absolutely, positively have to get in touch with you to get my car fixed/ looked at/ whatever, then I'm SOL if I'm not in your local area. Actually, I follow both you and Al's work/progress and read each of your's forum's each day. I see the exchanges that take place and as a result I formed my rational for going local. Plus, I want to remain a fan of you both, hell Al's car is on my desktop at work and your car is the screen saver.
peace
m~
Mac, I think Mark from TT put it best by saying that even tho you arn't local to him the flash game is a lot of trial and error , by going to Harmon over these two tuners you are giving up alot of tried and True tunes which many people live and die by.
Also with Al re-flashing cars to update mods at 124$ , what is Harmon going to charge you is my point. thats been my biggest fear of standalones is being at the mercy of a tuner, and his prices. with the flash technology no matter what I throw at it 3 days , 124$ later I am solved .
Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
Thats got to be the scariest part for me, The tuning myself. With a Flash it's a 100$ upgrade charge. If you dont mind me asking what was the charge to attempt to tune the utec?
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
What ere your modifcations and power level?
It is true that to go richer you need more injector on time, however, in my experience you would need rather significant mods to max out the stock injectors at a 12.0 / 1 a/f.
It is true that to go richer you need more injector on time, however, in my experience you would need rather significant mods to max out the stock injectors at a 12.0 / 1 a/f.
i made 288.41 whp, 270.37 torque.
So he basically thru in the tuning for free considering you prolly bought the Utec from him, and his dyno rental time used to be 100 with AFR logging for an hour.
Did he say what future tuning would run? and were you pleased with the Utec's ability to tune and would you feel comfortable tuning it yourself with basic knowledge?
Did he say what future tuning would run? and were you pleased with the Utec's ability to tune and would you feel comfortable tuning it yourself with basic knowledge?
Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
So he basically thru in the tuning for free considering you prolly bought the Utec from him, and his dyno rental time used to be 100 with AFR logging for an hour.
Did he say what future tuning would run? and were you pleased with the Utec's ability to tune and would you feel comfortable tuning it yourself with basic knowledge?
Did he say what future tuning would run? and were you pleased with the Utec's ability to tune and would you feel comfortable tuning it yourself with basic knowledge?
Originally Posted by Dave2
i was pleased with the power of Utec. Because Utec is a powerful tool, you better read the instruction manual at least 2x. Utec let you mod the timing, fuel and boost. Basic knowledge is not enough for utec if you want to tune it yourself. I recommend you to do more research and ask MalibuJack if you run into any problem