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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 06:19 PM
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i think i have the same problem....over the period of the night i usually drip about one teaspoon of oil tops...i dont know why its happening...
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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I'm getting the same thing. I hope it wasn't due to the 1 by 1 HS install . CHeap insurance turning into a headache
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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First you should recheck your headstuds to make sure they didn't loosen over time if they leak wasn't present for a while after the head studs were installed. Pull them all down to 85ft lbs if they are loose but do not over tighten. If the treads were not dry and clean or if you just hand tighten the studs down into the block they will end up moving some.

Does this mean I will need to loosen and retighten the nut and also retighten the stud that goes into the block? I did a compression test and have 175 across.
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Does this mean I will need to loosen and retighten the nut and also retighten the stud that goes into the block? I did a compression test and have 175 across.
If your compression looks good I would check each bolt to make sure they have all held their torque rating. If they held the torque rating and if that rating is 85+ ft lbs you will have to pull the head, inspect and put in a new gasket to stop the leak becuase with the leak happening at max torque rating it just won't get better without causing more possible/expensive damage if you aren't careful.

If you find that a stud did not hold its torque rating it is always worth a shot in trying to correct the stud install completly by . That doesn't mean it will work always but it is worth a shot if you can reinstall it correctly (stud and bolt) and torque back to its correct value.

This is a frustrating situation to be in because I believe it is due to the 1 by 1 HS install, I hope it works out though.
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GTVEVO
If your compression looks good I would check each bolt to make sure they have all held their torque rating. If they held the torque rating and if that rating is 85+ ft lbs you will have to pull the head, inspect and put in a new gasket to stop the leak becuase with the leak happening at max torque rating it just won't get better without causing more possible/expensive damage if you aren't careful.

If you find that a stud did not hold its torque rating it is always worth a shot in trying to correct the stud install completly by . That doesn't mean it will work always but it is worth a shot if you can reinstall it correctly (stud and bolt) and torque back to its correct value.

This is a frustrating situation to be in because I believe it is due to the 1 by 1 HS install, I hope it works out though.
Thanks. I wonder why people who did the 1 by 1 method is not seeing this. I follow the exact instructions/recommendation from here. I hand tighten the studs into the block using an allen wrench. Maybe I should have use a plier to make it go down some more.

Well it doesn't appear to be losing oil between oil changes and I don't see white smoke either. I hope it was oil that drip out during the 1 by 1 method.

I hope it's something else because don't like the idea of removing the head, $$$$$.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 05:24 AM
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Thanks. I wonder why people who did the 1 by 1 method is not seeing this. I follow the exact instructions/recommendation from here. I hand tighten the studs into the block using an allen wrench. Maybe I should have use a plier to make it go down some more.

Well it doesn't appear to be losing oil between oil changes and I don't see white smoke either. I hope it was oil that drip out during the 1 by 1 method.

I hope it's something else because don't like the idea of removing the head, $$$$$.
Well honestly I don't feel your chances in sucess are as good as people state. I am one person who had the same problem and I had to pull the head to identify the leak.

As for the head studs the instructions they come with are not as accurate as they should be in my opinion. Mostly being the torque rating on the nut and the stud, you can't just hand tighten down the studs. You do want to use your hand with a allen wrench but you want to make sure you give it a good turn to be sure it hits the bottom of the block/threads or the stud will back out just a bit. The word hand tighten is misleading and causing people not to put any pressure on them what so ever. If the stud doesn't hit the bottom to seat the chances of it backing out over time are pretty good.

Like I said I feel your pain and I hope you get it lined out.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 05:41 AM
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make sure your leaks arent originating from the oil pan..i had a leak there and the way it spreads underneath it makes it hard to tell where its coming from..
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 05:45 AM
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Well honestly I don't feel your chances in sucess are as good as people state. I am one person who had the same problem and I had to pull the head to identify the leak.

As for the head studs the instructions they come with are not as accurate as they should be in my opinion. Mostly being the torque rating on the nut and the stud, you can't just hand tighten down the studs. You do want to use your hand with a allen wrench but you want to make sure you give it a good turn to be sure it hits the bottom of the block/threads or the stud will back out just a bit. The word hand tighten is misleading and causing people not to put any pressure on them what so ever. If the stud doesn't hit the bottom to seat the chances of it backing out over time are pretty good.

Like I said I feel your pain and I hope you get it lined out.
Thanks and I agree on the hand tighten thing. I just used my hand and wish I used a plier. I thought the arp stud/nuts was made so that you can loosen and tightening it. It looks like I might have to loosen the nut and tighten the studs to the block and then retighten the nut. I hope it helps and damage is not already done. This is the reason I made a thread on 'signs of improper HS install'

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=148641

Looks like I might have to wait on the alky kit until I get this thing staighten out

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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Pictures below. If my coolant have oil does this mean that my Head gasket is shot even though compression is still good. Will reloosening the stud and tightening it help?

Thanks.

http://tinypic.com/bg1vyh.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1wdi.jpg
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GOKOU
Pictures below. If my coolant have oil does this mean that my Head gasket is shot even though compression is still good. Will reloosening the stud and tightening it help?

Thanks.

http://tinypic.com/bg1vyh.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1wdi.jpg

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but at this point you will need to replace the headgasket. I have only experienced this on one car i worked on and i had to replace the headgasket as it would not seal after trying to torque down the bolts again.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but at this point you will need to replace the headgasket. I have only experienced this on one car i worked on and i had to replace the headgasket as it would not seal after trying to torque down the bolts again.
That wasn't what I wanted to hear but thanks. By torque down you mean just re-torque the nut to XX lb vs loosening and re-tightening it?
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GOKOU
Pictures below. If my coolant have oil does this mean that my Head gasket is shot even though compression is still good. Will reloosening the stud and tightening it help?

Thanks.

http://tinypic.com/bg1vyh.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1w0l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/bg1wdi.jpg

Man those pics bring back bad memorys and look exactly like what I have seen. Especially seeing it on the Intake manifold support bracket.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 06:20 AM
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Man those pics bring back bad memorys and look exactly like what I have seen. Especially seeing it on the Intake manifold support bracket.
We were just talking about this last week huhh.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GTVEVO
Man those pics bring back bad memorys and look exactly like what I have seen. Especially seeing it on the Intake manifold support bracket.
Just curious but did your compression turn out good? Did you have to add oil before an oil change? Looks like it could be the head gasket but hoping for the best
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 11:41 AM
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Just curious but did your compression turn out good? Did you have to add oil before an oil change? Looks like it could be the head gasket but hoping for the best
Ya my compression was always fine and I didn't have anthing mixing either. It just leaked out the back all over and on the front passanger corner. You should pull the exhaust manifold shield off and look up under the exhaust manifold with a mirror to see if you have any thing comming out the front too.

Most likley you can verify it comming from the head by first inspecting around the entire valve cover to make sure it isn't leaking and then if you can't find a leak you can continue to inspect the lower head lip (front and back) from under the car visually with a light or on top of the car using a small mechanics mirror.

You should also inspect your cam gears to see if you have any oil leaking out the cam gear seals around the shaft, just a thought.

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