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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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downshift or str8 brake?

alright just wondering...who here downshifts to slow down before stopping..and who just uses the break? just want to get a general concensus...and what do you guys think is better?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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when im lazy i just use the brake
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sirloin1219
alright just wondering...who here downshifts to slow down before stopping..and who just uses the break? just want to get a general concensus...and what do you guys think is better?
Well which do you think is cheaper to replace, your synchros in your tranny or brake pads .
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by evo_il8
when im lazy i just use the brake
I always downshift. I actually make it a point to slow all the way down without having to brake if I can...
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by VTECH8TR
Well which do you think is cheaper to replace, your synchros in your tranny or brake pads .
ive totally heard this before that's why im asking..i mean i think it's personal preference..but i mean you really gotta suck at downshifting to screw up the syncros you know?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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I always downshift because if make a habit of doing so, In a sticky situation I can stop the car with that much ease & control
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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i always downshift... and brake a little... you go through pads sooo fast just coasting in neutral and heavy braking or braking in gear...balance it out...downshift and brake ...and if done right you wont damage syncro's or tranny ...more clutch wear and tear
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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i agree. downshift. I can avoid using my brakes AT ALL sometimes. you just have to do it right. never had a problem in any car ive done it in. MY bug even has a 3 pucker in it. thats a stiff clutch.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Yeah, I do about 50% brake and 50%downshift... Sometimes more or less of either but avg is 50/50.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:16 PM
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Once I replaced the stock clutch I started just breaking all the time. Brake pads and rotors much cheaper and easier to install.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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Not if yer replacing them every 3 months.

I downshift.

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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sirloin1219
alright just wondering...who here downshifts to slow down before stopping..and who just uses the break? just want to get a general concensus...and what do you guys think is better?
Slowing down and stopping is the function of the brakes. One should never use engine braking (the use of downshifting or coasting in a low gear to slow the car). Downshifting is done during braking (heel and toe) on the track in order to prepare the car to accelerate from the exit of the corner as fast as possible - it is never done to slow the car.

Aside from wear on the synchros and gearbox, slowing the car via downshifting puts wear principally on the clutch and engine. It is hard on a motor to use engine braking (especially over 5k revs) - much harder than running a motor to 7k revs under full load.

If anyone doubts this, please read a good racing book like "Going Faster"

Cheers,
Grant

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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:29 PM
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Thats racing. Most of us use our cars for everyday street driving.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:31 PM
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Thats racing. Most of us use our cars for everyday use.
The same rules apply to street driving when it's done properly. I noticed that we're almost neighbors - you should come out for a trackday at 2nd Creek before they close it forever
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Grant
The same rules apply to street driving when it's done properly. I noticed that we're almost neighbors - you should come out for a trackday at 2nd Creek before they close it forever
OT but it's too bad someone doesn't cough up enough money to save Second Creek. I've had a long of fun out there.
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