you guys need to mellow out

 

it's all in fun. no hard feelings. Here is some proof that he may be correct.


straight from the man himself.

 

cool. so do you agree now that intakes make a difference in a positive way?

 

honestly. no. But I am open to the idea. My problem with the HKS in particular is the short ram design. I am interested in the APS CAI with the water relocater but I can't justify the cash for power. it cost that guy 220-250$ for the HKS RS intake plus the cost of the tune which Dynoflash charges 350$ for a custom retune. alot of cash for 11whp 4 trq. 600$ can get you alot more power than 11whp and 4 trq.

esp. in the beging stages of modding which is what the question the original poster was concerned about. I honestly do not believe that an Intake is a good first mod. I have explained why and even backed up his arguement of the power the CAN create. but as far as the money spent he would be better suited going a different route in the begining and saving the intake for later in his mod path.

 

i am sure the majority of evo owners that have added an aftermarket intake dont have drivablility issues

 

http://www.lancershop.com/customer/p...0&cat=2&page=1

and my pricing was a wee bit off. looks like brand new the intake goes for 299.00 on sale . I was quoting used prices. So yes and No I def. think that there is hope for intakes and the power they produce but not a wise first mod due to the cash involved.

I still think the only reason the HKS RS does as well as it does is because it allows more airflow than the stock box. Now the stock box may provide cooler intake temps but loses to the massive amount of air the intake can flow. Now if there were more people running te APS unit which is a Cold air unit, in which we could assess its performance vs. the short ram that would be worth reading .


all in all I don't believe it to be a good first mod. simply because of whats been discussed above and the concerns involved with the intake vs. the box.

 

i still dont see how you can say that adding an aftermarket intake would not make a difference in a positive way.


you just stated that intakes add power

how is that not positive?

 

Keyword majority . 6 of 10 is a majority, now if some one gave you a 60% chance that the intake would work perfectly would you consider it a "good buy"

 

I see where you are coming from. isn't the APS intake the one where you lose the intercooler sprayer if you install it on your car? if so I don't think that that particular intake is the best choice out there if you lose the sprayer.

 

Check the dyno records, Intakes without tunes don't provide significant power. and with the popular Intake being short ram (hks) It's not worth what little positive it provides esp. as a first mod.

 

it relocates the sprayer. above the Intake http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/us...evo-iws_01.htm

 

no 60% chance is not that great. If I spent 200 dolllars and only had a 60% chance of seeing results I would not buy the product. I say this and I am for the most part agreeing with you that a intake does produce extra hp over the stock unit

 

the guy didnt mention anything about cash issues with purchase of his first mods


question - why does most vendors sell intakes as part of a stage 1 upgrade?

 

APS unit is cheaper than the HKS RS and includes the water relocator
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=152932

 

O ok I can remember seeing one of their adds but I didn't remeber the relocator. I think venders sell the intake not because it is a great mod but because it is a easy mod to install/