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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 06:49 PM
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lmfao dude they're not cold weather tires AT ALL. they're the exact opposite actually... good luck rofl
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
While I totaly sympathize with the guy who's car is crashed and really feel his pain . . . .

I don;t like the way this post sounds - it sounds like Progressive wants to go after either and or Advan or both to get some $$ which is not going to help anyone here unless you are a Progrssive share holder or a lawyer working for them


obviously Progressive is trying to work an angle here to try and recover some $ from on the theory that the tires are unsafe - some type of products liability issue - - if Progressive has paid off 300 wrecked evos to date it would be a huge claim

i dont see how cooperating with progressive will help the evo owner at all - it seems he has no injury lucily and they are fixing your car

I agree that the warning sticker is there for a resaon and it pains me to think that the end result of situations like this is that they wont even be able to sell a car with summer compound performance tires on it

It would be a bad day for us all if stopped selling the evo becuase of law suits - not to mention if chevy stopped selling the Z-06 or Dodge the Viper


I say LEAVE alone - they are having a hard enough time just to survive

the tires are great tires - there is a warning sticker that comes when you guy the car - I dont know what else they could do to prevent this kind of condition expect install all season tires on the cars which no one wants I hope

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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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It will never go that far. He was driving above the recommend/posted speed limit.
How many other cars are production high performance cars out there? Oh a, sh*t load! and They all come with tires that suck in the rain, cold, and can't be driven in snow.
I think he's just lucky he bought and evo instead of an S2000 or Z06.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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I would like to reiterate a point that Dynoflash brough up... helping Progressive is NOT the right thing to do here. first of all, the damages on the car are not THAT BAD. Second of all, progressive is already paying for the damages, why do you feel the need to step in and help THEM? Third, in the process of helping progressive for no reason, you hurt mitsubishi. I would love to know why you feel the need to do this, what more are you getting out of the situation by f-ucking mitsubishi over?
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by werra
I would like to reiterate a point that Dynoflash brough up... helping Progressive is NOT the right thing to do here. first of all, the damages on the car are not THAT BAD. Second of all, progressive is already paying for the damages, why do you feel the need to step in and help THEM? Third, in the process of helping progressive for no reason, you hurt mitsubishi. I would love to know why you feel the need to do this, what more are you getting out of the situation by f-ucking mitsubishi over?
He said he does not want his insurance to go up. That sounds like a reasonable desire. I am not entirely certain he is thinking correctly though. The tires do have a warning on them, the night was cold, and he was apparently taking a corner quicker than the posted speed. If he succeeds in his efforts, he removes any responsibility he had for the situation and spreads it around to all the other Evo owners and Mitsubishi.

It would probably be wisest for him to suck it up and take responsibility for his actions.

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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 10:36 PM
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Glad your ok and that your evo is fixable. However if you think the advans were responsible for accident you are going a bit far.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 10:48 PM
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This is hilarious.

The Ralliart owners complain that their cars include all season tires, and now we got Evo owners upset their cars include performance tires. Classic!

Sorry bro, Mitsu isn't responsible for your bad decision. Suck it up.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 11:45 PM
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1) i was in an accident 2 months after buying my car last year. it was a rainy november night (50 degrees) and a deer and a curb were involved. no one was injured but i wish the back end didn't come out so drastically...oh well? i've learned something from that crash which tallied a $4700 bill (covered by ins, minus deductible) and my recent increase in premiums...hey, c'est la vie! now i know that the car will pull forward (good ol' AWD) instead of sliding out if there's too little countersteer applied. car pulling forward after the initial skid is what got me into the curb, next time i'll brake and clutch in...
2) i unintetionally power oversteered at full boost while turning unto highways from parking lots and trying to get moving too soon a couple of times. this was always when temperatures were <65. i learned to be more gentle with throttle when taking off and having my wheel turned a bit, at low temps.
3) just 1 week ago i got the back end out 30 degrees, from trailbraking into an exit ramp from 60mph or so. i recovered the slide. this was at temps of mid 50's. that was my cue that it's the season to slow the **** down...
4) last winter i drove on advans in the snow and slush...no accidents, but made for very nervous trips. i KNEW the risk, but i had 2nd car (also on sticky summer tires, i know i know ) which i drove most of the time, slowly.
5) here's a lil story for u kiddies: a friend of a friend SOLD his evo after curbing it once in the snow and once in the rain. he said that he wasn't impressed with the AWD! *carlos mencia voice* dee dee deeee!!
moral of my long and boring post? u KNOW that they don't grip in these temps, SLOW THE FUDGE DOWN!!! or suck up the consequences. i can blame it on the tires all i want, but i'm not gonna go as far as weaseling out of high ins premiums, MAN UP!
sorry to hear about ur accident though.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 12:22 AM
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Temperature drops down to the 40s ?? Orlando FTW
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 05:30 AM
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If you were driving at reasonable (legal) speed, you wouldn't have been in a accident. It's not the car's or tire's fault you wrecked your car.

Take your consequences.

Originally Posted by purecoda
As some of you already know, I was in an accident this past Friday night that was (as all the factors indicate) caused by the Advans failing to grip in weather below 40. A few of you posted in the thread that this has happened to you as well, so here's what I'm asking.

Progressive is still investigating the cause, and when I told them that this had happened to other members here, they said that if I could get some names and numbers, they would have a much better shot at seeing if the liability may lay with the tires not performing to certain standards.

If you own an Evo and have ever had the tail slide, or even more (180) in reasonable driving conditions but cold temperatures and not under excess speed, would you please PM me you name and email address or phone number. I don't know if Progressive will go so far as to contact you, but the list will certainly help. If you need a backgound of what happened, please read this thread first - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=10

If you read this thread but can't help, please bump it for me. I appreciate it.

Oh, and the damage estimate was just under 5K. This is not a cheap car to fix.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 05:33 AM
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Another thing, why should we (evo owners) help you. It's idiots like you who drive the cost of the evo's insurance up for everyone.



Originally Posted by purecoda
As some of you already know, I was in an accident this past Friday night that was (as all the factors indicate) caused by the Advans failing to grip in weather below 40. A few of you posted in the thread that this has happened to you as well, so here's what I'm asking.

Progressive is still investigating the cause, and when I told them that this had happened to other members here, they said that if I could get some names and numbers, they would have a much better shot at seeing if the liability may lay with the tires not performing to certain standards.

If you own an Evo and have ever had the tail slide, or even more (180) in reasonable driving conditions but cold temperatures and not under excess speed, would you please PM me you name and email address or phone number. I don't know if Progressive will go so far as to contact you, but the list will certainly help. If you need a backgound of what happened, please read this thread first - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=10

If you read this thread but can't help, please bump it for me. I appreciate it.

Oh, and the damage estimate was just under 5K. This is not a cheap car to fix.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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I agree I give no sympothy for people like this....
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hotrod2448
Your welcome. Lately EvoM has become a group of geniuses that never make mistakes and love to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong and all of them know the best way to do things. It's just getting really old. Don't get me wrong I have my moments of pig headed stubbornness but, some people on here just seem not to be able to communicate with out being confrontational. Not necessarily anyone in this thread just the forum in general.
Bump so all the f-ing a-holes who preach like den mother and feed off confrontation can see how annoying they are. STFU lhooq!
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
While I totaly sympathize with the guy who's car is crashed and really feel his pain . . . .

I don;t like the way this post sounds - it sounds like Progressive wants to go after either and or Advan or both to get some $$ which is not going to help anyone here unless you are a Progrssive share holder or a lawyer working for them


obviously Progressive is trying to work an angle here to try and recover some $ from on the theory that the tires are unsafe - some type of products liability issue - - if Progressive has paid off 300 wrecked evos to date it would be a huge claim

i dont see how cooperating with progressive will help the evo owner at all - it seems he has no injury lucily and they are fixing your car

I agree that the warning sticker is there for a resaon and it pains me to think that the end result of situations like this is that they wont even be able to sell a car with summer compound performance tires on it

It would be a bad day for us all if stopped selling the evo becuase of law suits - not to mention if chevy stopped selling the Z-06 or Dodge the Viper


I say LEAVE alone - they are having a hard enough time just to survive

the tires are great tires - there is a warning sticker that comes when you guy the car - I dont know what else they could do to prevent this kind of condition expect install all season tires on the cars which no one wants I hope
i wanted to quote this post for a few reasons. first of all, the first thing al expressed was sympathy for a situation which obviously sucks. he then stated his arguement without becoming a flaming @$$, and even left me the room for clarification "i don't like the way this post sounds" not "i don't like this post" or telling me to own up.

i cannot believe the amount of jerks that responded to this thread, most obviously didn't read the original thread. so for clarification, i'll update to those evo owners out there who have both common sense and aren't egocentric punks.

1. i was not speeding. the 35mph sign is a RECOMMENDED (ADVISORY) speed. not the speed limit.
2. i know what my evo can and can't do, especially on that exit. you evo drivers who know the difference between driving fast and driving wrecklessly can understand and appreciate that. i have never even launched the car. i drive it quickly, but always defensively, and never like an idiot. again, this is all based on my word, which is why i was glad my roommate was with me, and why i wish those neighsayers could have been in the car with me.
3. to the arguement that i should have been driving slower, this can be used for almost every accident, so i'm not even going there.
4. i was driving windy back roads that were MUCH more technical than a freaking off ramp for an hour the night before, and it was much colder thursday than friday. the tires let just let go on the ramp.

so where does this leave me? because of al's post, i definitely reconsidered my stance, and i don't want to be the cause of something that progressive might try to use to cash in against mitsubishi. i'm glad that a few of you can understand how in my frustration for something that seemed out of my control i would look to find some reason behind it. its not like i'm the only person who's had the tires let go in cool weather, so their is obviously another factor in play than my speed or my driving. the tires are great, i know this. they suck when they're cold, i now know this too. sometimes bad things just happen, and i wasn't looking at this as a lottery ticket, i was just exploring what my options might have been.

i'm amazed at the amount of people who passed judgement without any evidence, but thankful for the few who expressed sympathy, concern, and wished me well in what happens next. i still love my evo, and can't wait to get her back. i just hope my insurance doesn't skyrocket and force me to have to sell. i guess we'll find out soon enough.

to those of you who have been sensible and considerate through all of this, thanks. and al. thanks again for setting a good example.
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