View Poll Results: Which handles better
05 EVO RS
125
78.13%
HONDA S2000
35
21.88%
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which handles better EVO RS or S2000
I also own both, and I definately think with someone who has more driving skills than myself the s2k would handle a little better. The Evo is much easier to drive though and I think thats why some of these people think it handles better. If you look at the survey results, they don't match what people are saying in general.
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rwd's are more tunable, under/oversteer wise. this is also modulatable to a certain degree by the driver. on a dry track, they have the edge. There's the weight, of course. A minimum of one less diffreential and a pair of drive shafts means a lot. Fewer cogs and parts to turn make for greater efficiency. Better packaging is also a big plus; nothing to clutter up the front, lower front unsprung mass etc. Besides, modern electronics make sure that the shortcomings of 400+bhp to two wheels can be handles by your grand mother.
awd's have any other advantages you can think of. you're asking less from each wheel in general. sadly they tend to understeer (prolly depends on f/r torque split). Away from the track, it's really not an issue. On real roads, real surfaces and corners you don't know, awd is the way to go. always.
Let's not forget that Nissan's awd system was banned from the JGTC and Audi raced their quattro A4's in the BTCC successfully with a weight ballast (which were added cos they had awd!). Rallying took a quantum leap with awd, with 300bhp awd cars clocking the same time as 500bhp rwd cars. In summary, rwd has advantages in very particular situations where as awd is more of a general tool.
And finally, don't confuse good handling, speed, and entertainment value.
oh, and i'd say that with equally good drivers in stock cars on normal roads, the evo would be quicker. and easier to drive.
awd's have any other advantages you can think of. you're asking less from each wheel in general. sadly they tend to understeer (prolly depends on f/r torque split). Away from the track, it's really not an issue. On real roads, real surfaces and corners you don't know, awd is the way to go. always.
Let's not forget that Nissan's awd system was banned from the JGTC and Audi raced their quattro A4's in the BTCC successfully with a weight ballast (which were added cos they had awd!). Rallying took a quantum leap with awd, with 300bhp awd cars clocking the same time as 500bhp rwd cars. In summary, rwd has advantages in very particular situations where as awd is more of a general tool.
And finally, don't confuse good handling, speed, and entertainment value.
oh, and i'd say that with equally good drivers in stock cars on normal roads, the evo would be quicker. and easier to drive.
ok, im not a rookie neither is he but ive had awd cars all my life i know how they handle and capable of esp the evo. hes had integras all his exp. this s2 but hes never had the pleasure of driving an evo so he'll never understand. thats y i did thes post this, its not for me, its for him
Originally Posted by evoviiiyou
Yes stock for stock, the evo walks the s2k all over the track. I hope this answers your question.
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Originally Posted by bd307
No cars can handle better with RWD performs in any corners considering the driver has experience on how to drive a RWD car.
4WD or AWD is defitnitely good to some extends, but it is only good for invoice to intermediate driver like myself.
4WD or AWD is defitnitely good to some extends, but it is only good for invoice to intermediate driver like myself.
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You guys, obviously, watched way too much Initial D and Top Gear. 
This topic is meaningless. Both car handles and accelerates well. No need for this silly argument.
Remember, this is Evolution forum and you own an "EVO", not S2K
This topic is meaningless. Both car handles and accelerates well. No need for this silly argument.
Remember, this is Evolution forum and you own an "EVO", not S2K
Originally Posted by EVOCMAX
Once again, two rookies with the two mentioned stock cars, the Evo should win. Remember the days Audi Quattros began racing here. Everyone complained because of the AWD advantage.
Originally Posted by 05 EVO RS
thanks, finally a preson that dosent have something bad to say about a stock suspention car
don't you mean "finally a person who tells me what i want to hear" ?
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Originally Posted by bd307
No cars can handle better with RWD performs in any corners considering the driver has experience on how to drive a RWD car.
4WD or AWD is defitnitely good to some extends, but it is only good for invoice to intermediate driver like myself.
4WD or AWD is defitnitely good to some extends, but it is only good for invoice to intermediate driver like myself.
Originally Posted by blonde
who said anything bad about stock suspension car???
don't you mean "finally a person who tells me what i want to hear" ?
don't you mean "finally a person who tells me what i want to hear" ?
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Originally Posted by blonde
do you want to be the one that tells that to the ferrari/porsche/corvette/ariel atom/elise/aston martin guys because i think that they didn't get that memo... of course it was probably because they were too busy breaking records and tearing up the tracks 
don't get me wrong, i love AWD and it does have some adventages (crappy weather, exiting a turn etc..) but saying that it can't be beat is just wrong. the fastest cars in the world are still mostly RWD and there is a reason for that. RWD (espacially on light chassis with good weight dist) is very hard to beat for fun to drive and speed around the track. hell, i have seen so many honda crx's and mazda miata's that were pulling insane times and beating vipers around the track. a good driver in a car like the s2000 can definatly give the evo a good fight and can also win if he knows the car and knows how to pilot it. most of the professional drivers and instructors i know will choose a well setup RWD car for the track.
and if you don't believe me, i recommand that you do what i did (what really thought me a lesson about this). go out to a track near your house and try to find someone with a RWD car that is properly setup (spec miata, s2000 boxters etc..) and than you will see what things like 50/50 weight balance and a good chassis do around the track.
damn, i keep making these long posts even though i know nobody reads them.. i really gotta stop doing this
don't get me wrong, i love AWD and it does have some adventages (crappy weather, exiting a turn etc..) but saying that it can't be beat is just wrong. the fastest cars in the world are still mostly RWD and there is a reason for that. RWD (espacially on light chassis with good weight dist) is very hard to beat for fun to drive and speed around the track. hell, i have seen so many honda crx's and mazda miata's that were pulling insane times and beating vipers around the track. a good driver in a car like the s2000 can definatly give the evo a good fight and can also win if he knows the car and knows how to pilot it. most of the professional drivers and instructors i know will choose a well setup RWD car for the track. and if you don't believe me, i recommand that you do what i did (what really thought me a lesson about this). go out to a track near your house and try to find someone with a RWD car that is properly setup (spec miata, s2000 boxters etc..) and than you will see what things like 50/50 weight balance and a good chassis do around the track.
damn, i keep making these long posts even though i know nobody reads them.. i really gotta stop doing this
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But just bear in mind, guys, that most people who own an EVO also own a lightweight razor sharp roadster/convertible like the S2000 or Lotus Elise. It's a very common combo among car enthusiaists.
Originally Posted by 05 EVO RS
read the origional poat again it says "stock suspention" right in there . im not saying anything bad, and i didnt car if the s2k one the poll i just wanted to see what everyone in here thought esp if you've driven them both. so this wasnt really a pointless post i mean really it started quite a debate really it almost did its job to well. lol
and i told you that throughout the thread, nobody said anything bad about stock suspension (either the EVO or the S2000).
also, i really couldn't care less who won the poll. let's be honest here, this is an evo board and we have a lot of members that truly beleive that the EVO is the greatest car in the world and that no other car can ever compare. some of us on the other hand, have no problem addmiting that the evo is a nice car but there are many cars out there who would kill it in many different conditions.
Originally Posted by EvoEightMR
evo viii has a better track time than any supercars (RWD) in top gear.
why don't you try just a little bit to research before you post? the evo in not even close to being on the top...
1
Maserati MC12
1.18.9
2
Ferrari Enzo
1.19.0
3
Ariel Atom
1.19.5
4
Porsche Carerra GT
1.19.8
5
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
1.20.9
6
Ford GT
1.21.9
7
Porsche GT3 RS
1.22.3
8
Ferrari 360 CS
1.22.3
9
Murcielago
1.23.7
10
Zonda
1.23.8
11
Koenigsegg
1.23.9
12
Sagaris
1.24.6
13
Tuscan
1.24.8
14
Evo FQ 400
1.24.8
15
Noble
1.25.0
16
Gallardo
1.25.8
17
Aero 8 GTN
1.25.9
18
BMW M5
1.26.2
19
Ferrari 575 GTC
1.26.8
20
Chevrolet Corvette
1.26.8
21
Lotus Exige
1.26.9
22
Aston Martin Vanquish S
1.27.1
23
Porsche 911 GT3
1.27.2
24
Spyker C8
1.27.3
25
TVR 350C
1.27.5
26
Wiesmann
1.27.9
27
BMW M3 CSL
1.28.0
28
Dodge Viper SRT-10
1.28.5
29
MG SV
1.28.6
30
Mitsubishi Evo VIII
1.28.9
and yes, i see the FQ400 somewhere near the top but to me it is not a regular evo. it is a specail edition evo with HKS parts which makes it kinda of an outsider in that chart.